From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 18:42:45 +0300 Message-ID: <55897E75.10808@yandex.ru> References: <557F3C22.4060909@cs.ucla.edu> <5580D356.4050708@cs.ucla.edu> <87si9qonxb.fsf@gnu.org> <5581C29E.1030101@yandex.ru> <87r3p9fxm2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87k2v0fiji.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20150619090225.GA2743@acm.fritz.box> <87fv5kfrfa.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83twtzhi9g.fsf@gnu.org> <877fqvfvby.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83fv5jh8ls.fsf@gnu.org> <874mlzf71d.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <558945C2.2010203@yandex.ru> <87h9pyxwrj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1435074391 1890 80.91.229.3 (23 Jun 2015 15:46:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2015 15:46:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 23 17:46:26 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7QP2-0000yV-Vk for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 17:46:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45940 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7QP2-00071H-Gc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 11:46:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:32897) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7QLk-00016I-25 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 11:43:00 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7QLf-0002Ch-Ri for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 11:43:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x22b.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b]:38530) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7QLf-000295-Km for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 11:42:55 -0400 Original-Received: by wibdq8 with SMTP id dq8so20940576wib.1 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 08:42:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=JqkGoFvQhCFgZ/uRu6UotYLEReGLxOWnLmP7NdYLi9U=; b=tdtkFAGRJ8I0kUs9AyRzIzEkKhaz9d+guykW4ikZEzHma+/NqSXn/MTl/YVw0jDEOf 03GeclQhnXwkHk+KoXOnFFh4rS2gW7NRsIEaiuY/djjz03QvVCuoPG9CtmzmFDYwr1X5 gemoGga0FJlmD1TlAEjcAt0entqO3aQoRrNF702SM2nZqDqJOKkHqQ59JhxEHSaEIBJL omWlCuSr37/DZjci9hTgFSj4aWqjNyBfIaEQ3ciJKa9pRTmQ8kjfsc7XvjSRZTmNFt+E DHzJuw6cMHwsFNU4+Dovm7bT5d04ok0iltTRGM/kmSn3f3uCk3gJscnPJYOV1XzTAxmA I2oQ== X-Received: by 10.194.133.73 with SMTP id pa9mr62954007wjb.148.1435074166557; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 08:42:46 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.0.185] (static-nbl2-118.cytanet.com.cy. [212.31.107.118]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id l6sm22973522wib.18.2015.06.23.08.42.46 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 23 Jun 2015 08:42:46 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0 In-Reply-To: <87h9pyxwrj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187422 Archived-At: On 06/23/2015 06:36 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > No, not at all. To assume that Emacs can consistently do so *by > design* would be conceited. To try new things, keep the ones that > work and abandon the others, is a strategy that is known to achieve > better choices in biology and business as well as in software. Maybe. But you seem to be arguing in favor of a general notion (to keep experimenting), whereas I was under impression that this thread is about a specific issue. It's a good recipe to continue talking past each other. > > We're not even competing with other editors here. > > Exactly. Emacs isn't competing. It's doing what's right for Emacs. Exactly... not what I meant by the above sentence?