From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Van L Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#31683: emacs-lisp-intro.texi - opportunity to link eintr to elisp Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 12:11:48 +1000 Message-ID: <55844132-EA2F-4D3B-835B-0870743E666D@scratch.space> References: <83bmcte7yr.fsf@gnu.org> <838t7xe0ox.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1527991804 30175 195.159.176.226 (3 Jun 2018 02:10:04 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2018 02:10:04 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 31683@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jun 03 04:10:00 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fPIT2-0007hb-07 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 03 Jun 2018 04:10:00 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33351 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPIV7-0005yH-FW for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2018 22:12:09 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41265) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPIV1-0005y0-8q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2018 22:12:04 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPIV0-00066T-AR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2018 22:12:03 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.43]:51811) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1fPIV0-00066P-6P for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2018 22:12:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fPIUz-0000XS-Tb for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2018 22:12:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Van L Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2018 02:12:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 31683 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 31683-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B31683.15279919182061 (code B ref 31683); Sun, 03 Jun 2018 02:12:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 31683) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jun 2018 02:11:58 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59708 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fPIUw-0000XB-0Z for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2018 22:11:58 -0400 Original-Received: from relay11.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.231]:36839) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1fPIUu-0000Wz-5b for 31683@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jun 2018 22:11:56 -0400 Original-Received: from epi.local (123-243-250-252.tpgi.com.au [123.243.250.252]) (Authenticated sender: van@scratch.space) by relay11.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B9A82100007; Sun, 3 Jun 2018 04:11:52 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <838t7xe0ox.fsf@gnu.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 208.118.235.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "bug-gnu-emacs" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:146890 Archived-At: > Eli Zaretskii writes: >=20 > Which is actually related to the second location you mentioned Which was the summary section. > In general, this manual is not an introduction chapter for the ELisp > manual The impression given in other discussion about this was the intention = for eintr to be close and interwoven with elisp at a level of detail = that bends over backwards for a ,non-programmer'. There are in general two kinds of people.=20 One digests the elisp. Straight away. The other prefers eintr at first.=20 Having tips of the elisp in the eintr is consciousness raising and = invites the reader to go far one day.