From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 10:19:48 +0300 Message-ID: <55827114.3080800@yandex.ru> References: <20150615142237.GA3517@acm.fritz.box> <87y4jkhqh5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <557F3C22.4060909@cs.ucla.edu> <5580D356.4050708@cs.ucla.edu> <87si9qonxb.fsf@gnu.org> <5581C29E.1030101@yandex.ru> <87r3p9fxm2.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1434612042 21561 80.91.229.3 (18 Jun 2015 07:20:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 07:20:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, Paul Eggert , emacs-devel@gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , rms@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. 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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::229 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187267 Archived-At: On 06/18/2015 07:29 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > You're missing the point by calling them "rare". They are *not* rare; > they are in daily use by the 99.44% of the English-speaking population > that *doesn't* program. Quotes are not that rare, but using a more rare characters would be even better, right? At least, by that logic. > The point is that these characters have better semantics from the > point of view of *new* programmers and even non-programmers. Native-English speaking programmers who are into typography, maybe? > APL. Yep, not a markup language. > > Markdown, for instance, when rendered, only emphasizes code > > segments using a special tag, which translates into a different > > font face/color/etc. I don't see why we won't choose to do that, or > > allow users to customize that aspect. > > That would be insane. Markdown (and ReST) do that because they, too, > need to deal with the ASCII-capped lobby, or at least they still did > when they were first developed a decade or so ago. What's insane about only highlighting code segments with color? > But *humans* don't > need tags, and programs are rapidly acquiring the ability to do > without. I believe we should look forward to the day when that is the > norm, and *get there first*. I don't understand this response. I only mentioned tags because Markdown renders to HTML.