From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 00:05:48 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <55826DCC.9040404@cs.ucla.edu> References: <20150615142237.GA3517@acm.fritz.box> <87y4jkhqh5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <557F3C22.4060909@cs.ucla.edu> <5580D356.4050708@cs.ucla.edu> <87si9qonxb.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1434611182 8312 80.91.229.3 (18 Jun 2015 07:06:22 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 07:06:22 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, stephen@xemacs.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org, Tassilo Horn Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Jun 18 09:06:13 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5Tts-0002ly-R5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 09:06:12 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50506 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5Tts-0007IC-6l for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 03:06:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:49872) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5Ttd-0007I5-5b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 03:05:57 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5TtX-0002jv-Qr for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 03:05:56 -0400 Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:56694) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5TtX-0002f4-Ig; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 03:05:51 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 347D916081B; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 00:05:49 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id g0J8To3VtbGC; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 00:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C5E160825; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 00:05:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id tivq8DWbnJc1; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 00:05:48 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-100-32-155-148.lsanca.fios.verizon.net [100.32.155.148]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5D9A2160822; Thu, 18 Jun 2015 00:05:48 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.68 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187264 Archived-At: Richard Stallman wrote: > I am running from source fetched on May 8. May 8 predates the changes involving curved quotes, so the comments in your email don't apply to the current Emacs master. The current Emacs and Elisp manuals say how to enter curved quotes and etc/NEWS briefly notes the changes. It no longer takes 8 keystrokes (or even 4) to enter a curved quote -- I suggest using the new Electric Quote minor mode, where it typically takes just 1 keystroke. Other shorthands are also available.