From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 21:55:26 +0300 Message-ID: <5581C29E.1030101@yandex.ru> References: <20150615142237.GA3517@acm.fritz.box> <87y4jkhqh5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <557F3C22.4060909@cs.ucla.edu> <5580D356.4050708@cs.ucla.edu> <87si9qonxb.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1434567404 8431 80.91.229.3 (17 Jun 2015 18:56:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 18:56:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: acm@muc.de, stephen@xemacs.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier , Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 17 20:56:39 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5IVk-0002v9-Tw for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 20:56:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48604 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5IVk-000867-GR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 14:56:32 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44473) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5IV7-0007OW-4G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 14:55:53 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5IV3-0000iL-RZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 14:55:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wg0-x22b.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c00::22b]:36627) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z5IV3-0000QR-CB; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 14:55:49 -0400 Original-Received: by wgzl5 with SMTP id l5so44590912wgz.3; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 11:55:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:subject:to:references:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Hv/6byjhlT5L4OGWLoGe/eldKneO3sHv0ra2NsfzyDE=; b=TffD85ndMt25izWxeB6XY34xhgGjXlS3HvR4Iz6EqJUOhVp9XVBixr+jRXnysvj172 nwzVNE7sJneRCjtZ7zL1FzfzpPFl4OxLur6iyuXAW4f31zDSPuyM9HGsUPv9GKBqAzlP eMtOMTGPwMY+mt8B9ysFFLRV3EELksqFA466f5bMvUts+0zr6MrC4gb4B3py7o0+760x tBMJ1TSDLo9TIbasj2qmnsjIHtx9rs3XWZ/5qtXMgxsnO/beZmr7+iOcXYO5Tdi8XXZJ Hjk/Ht361jVyZRgASS3vjd/NQ0CM6UdqtBlHS0G8fsDgPtV9/tmPYRYJ9ewEI/Uq6CHg OcsA== X-Received: by 10.180.79.73 with SMTP id h9mr56932800wix.35.1434567330118; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 11:55:30 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([82.102.93.54]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id cd9sm8227906wjc.34.2015.06.17.11.55.28 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 17 Jun 2015 11:55:29 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22b X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187253 Archived-At: On 06/17/2015 04:03 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > To me, one of the motivations for the change (after the visual aspect) is > to have a *more* robust handling because it is *less* ambiguous (within > the context of Elisp). That is probably true, but by that logic, using rare unicode characters is a great choice for any markup language. Yet, I don't see anybody doing that. Another reason to use ‘‘ instead of anything else, seems to be that we're going to translate `' into those anyway. But that won't necessarily hold true forever: the quotes themselves aren't required. Markdown, for instance, when rendered, only emphasizes code segments using a special tag, which translates into a different font face/color/etc. I don't see why we won't choose to do that, or allow users to customize that aspect.