From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Upcoming loss of usability of Emacs source files and Emacs. Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 00:16:32 -0700 Message-ID: <55811ED0.80304@dancol.org> References: <20150615142237.GA3517@acm.fritz.box> <83lhfkoqww.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Kc0s8HU7Htt0K2IWOtO1LVAxFvGPSSxTn" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1434525496 24326 80.91.229.3 (17 Jun 2015 07:18:16 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 07:18:16 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jun 17 09:18:10 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Z57ay-0000Z7-SN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 09:17:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44862 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z57at-0004lS-62 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 03:17:07 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38878) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z57aZ-0004lF-PS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 03:16:52 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z57aY-0002nb-Bg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 03:16:47 -0400 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:adf3]:44565) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Z57aY-0002mM-1H for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 03:16:46 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=iUwlT8T9CXHcvNuW3wNtqeTVhk5YAEo29URRizR0hRw=; b=Cp89Pu3yeiImzbe3DNoTbWmgRcx+deBkbrge7EQUrFasJJsoDL9uAi5l6KpsFHEKVtpV7/S5kZzagTmQvU1zlb2A9x+CdnUJhL/ljttjGMziu+G+cFE/LR/zENCHeCE99P43ShwOvu+3VTSqWFGGxgsqhBfotOf3oyuljFO0mmC/PSMtrSqhke7hhcOjKVcLdnR2yjJ0E4EHyVLZe6yJDX5DsuWYcLTg5RSyrY4xqXZSj7sVMbDteE1LsHxYf9B1wWhtGvU4/pcJrZ1lD/JZd+05rs7UVV1p4xxvd//g4/zhy21W04XHTUeYAVQ0koFUBXwVc6zOt2GYYvPGjhK++w==; Original-Received: from [2620:10d:c081:1101:2ab2:bdff:fe1c:db58] by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Z57aQ-0005uc-FF; Wed, 17 Jun 2015 00:16:38 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 In-Reply-To: <83lhfkoqww.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:adf3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:187233 Archived-At: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --Kc0s8HU7Htt0K2IWOtO1LVAxFvGPSSxTn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 06/15/2015 09:52 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2015 14:22:37 +0000 >> From: Alan Mackenzie >> >> My view is that the curly quotes should not replace 0x60 and 0x27 in o= ur >> sources, but that the option to display them as curly quotes should be= >> made available to those that want it. >> >> As far as I am aware, there has been no poll to gather and analyse the= >> views of Emacs developers on these changes, much less one for Emacs >> users. This is a Bad Thing. >> >> What do people think? >=20 > I think this ship has sailed long ago. E.g., GCC has been spewing > UTF-8 encoded quotes at me for several years now, and many Info > manuals started using Unicode characters, that show as gibberish on my > text terminal, many moons ago. >=20 > Like you, I don't like these characters very much. The make my life > slightly harder. But I like fighting quixotic wars even less. > Instead of fighting this wave, we should adapt and move on. >=20 > And there are ways of adapting: convenient input methods for typing > the characters, replacements for displaying them on terminals that > cannot show the originals Can we make " match fancy quotes in isearch? --Kc0s8HU7Htt0K2IWOtO1LVAxFvGPSSxTn Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJVgR7QAAoJEN4WImmbpWBlAhgP/2d1RaWGrSop2T3BdRF80u+Z icDnXfpcj1ffU6ixHVQPXj6mPZFxxIsw/pnpuDNUjzvs9gf/hB/n53ZF8gNfpi4g NRklQtDjPymC0ohxhkhm5/VVD1W9B9XnEI4SS/ykfWQLok6AbLu1UYO1t3gUA0n/ We9bp7Nwb24RmVGCWejiZ3zK6E4HcthkH48Y7E+MfQ9aRAwHgswB5hlYIJ1nqrdp rGxdVyQZppZVV3v3xGcdIJ40EGlrCc0VVFqp9DfSxI+nd9yZyFGSNtxhQAx3c83x ly4PMIjS0YA/WNgfF7JRJLYDaLyJXpFQkHYMVthzLhJvkPGd1DdPL+H6+ipwLiH2 /17EpN06dO9gButcuLg3g6zW/InbnyGAoO92Gkducmbe4Gl3ZQxjMAC6e2lL9KQe W8DLyyx5PK93ablyaQxTD3v8V1LnjIkOCmONACOblbUZgSQaGDMG3c4w/zK+Vs+Z eDo4okOIvC06ClmbSnwMlPw4dFody/Mv7lJpB8Lv9dj1VhkECnxzxPehFbTcA0VP jSraEJVb/b6aztQQdunyK7nPHv+faRhEBJ5yE2oCmhrWvx07uf66ykxzsGgIeQDx 9GgkQQW/43hwuXdTQQr2lZtleqOfJmMzNjMQaG2rDA499wBONKvFoK9YFClGR6W2 q5JJ8xsTjMBbduYEUVtn =9JkU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Kc0s8HU7Htt0K2IWOtO1LVAxFvGPSSxTn--