From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19468: 25.0.50; UI inconveniences with M-. 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[78.158.159.68]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ex5sm7789136wib.2.2015.05.01.11.44.14 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 01 May 2015 11:44:15 -0700 (PDT) user-agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0 in-reply-to: <83oam4qh2u.fsf@gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:102343 Archived-At: On 05/01/2015 09:38 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > A language-agnostic UI could well ask the back-end for variables, or > for functions, or for both, or whatever. Why would it ask about "functions". How would it know about functions, or that we want a function right now? > because etags' default is to produce a 140-long list > of potential matches, which elisp-mode's xref default is to produce > only one. In most of my use cases, neither is TRT. That is no longer true. You should build the current master. > We shall never second-guess the user. I already described an > important class of use cases where this assumption is simply wrong. > It shouldn't probably even be the default. Either I didn't understand it, or wasn't convinced. > It's an annoyance to have to use more than one command for a single > purpose. By default, I don't want to see the list at all, most of the time, just jump to the only match. We won't have that if xref-find-definitions is lax.