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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
To: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: dgutov@yandex.ru, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: RE: A vision for multiple major modes: some design notes
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2016 15:01:12 -0700 (PDT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <553ab39a-eeaf-4fb7-b8ae-e0592f27db6e@default> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160421213323.GD1775@acm.fritz.box>

[More interesting details.  Thx.]

> Given a buffer position, we need to be able to find the corresponding
> island chain.  "Obviously", we do this with a text property, which we
> might as well call `island', or possibly `chain'.  Since successive
> accesses to chain local variables are very likely to be in the same
> chain most of the time, we will cache the "current" chain in buffer
> local variables.

I guess you are referring to the possibility of more than one
chain having an island at point, and wanting to pick up the right
one as the "current" chain - so you check a text property, which
identifies the chain that is currently active.  Is that right?

> When it comes to movement and search primitives, we want to adapt these
> so that the impact on existing major modes is minimised.  Ideally, we
> would want major modes to "see" only their own islands (or lack
> thereof).  Thus we treat irrelevant islands as blocks of whitespace.  It
> seems to make sense to have such islands matched by subexpressions in
> regexps which match spaces.  This would obviate the need to amend a
> great number of regexps currently coded in major modes.

For search, at least, I don't see why you don't make use of
`isearch-filter-predicate'.  That's what I do in my code, to
search only within (or without: complement) a set of zones
(~chain of islands).  That seems simple and cheap.

[I also optionally dim the non-islands during search (or the
non-non-islands, if complementing), so the areas being searched
stand out more.]

> On the other hand, when a user does C-s or C-M-s, the Right Thing is
> surely to search the buffer as a whole, without regard to islands.  We
> therefore need a flag which instructs the primitives how to behave when
> there are islands.  We might as well call this flag `in-islands', for
> want of a better name.

`isearch-filter-predicate'.  It can let code know whether
you are island-searching or not.

> The user will, from time to time, delete the delimiters which define
> islands, and will insert other ones.

FWIW, markers as delimiters do not have that problem.

[The `isearch-prop.el' code can use zones defined by either
their limits (e.g., markers) or text or overlay properties
on their text.  It lets commands like `query-replace' do
similarly.]



  reply	other threads:[~2016-04-21 22:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-04-20 19:44 A vision for multiple major modes: some design notes Alan Mackenzie
2016-04-20 21:06 ` Drew Adams
2016-04-20 23:00   ` Drew Adams
2016-04-21 12:43   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-04-21 14:24     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-04-23  2:20       ` zhanghj
2016-04-23 22:36       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-21 16:05     ` Drew Adams
2016-04-21 16:31       ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]     ` <<64f1d39a-dfd0-44ca-86c1-b4d6104b5702@default>
     [not found]       ` <<83oa926i0e.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-04-21 16:59         ` Drew Adams
2016-04-21 19:55           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]     ` <<<64f1d39a-dfd0-44ca-86c1-b4d6104b5702@default>
     [not found]       ` <<<83oa926i0e.fsf@gnu.org>
     [not found]         ` <<791d74d1-2b1d-4304-8e7e-d6c31af7aa41@default>
     [not found]           ` <<83eg9y68jy.fsf@gnu.org>
2016-04-21 20:26             ` Drew Adams
2016-04-20 22:27 ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-21  9:14   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-04-22 12:45     ` Phillip Lord
2016-04-21 14:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-21 21:33   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-04-21 22:01     ` Drew Adams [this message]
2016-04-22  8:13       ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-04-22 17:04         ` Drew Adams
2016-04-22  9:04     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-06-13 21:17     ` John Wiegley
2016-06-14 13:13       ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-06-14 16:27         ` John Wiegley
2016-04-21 22:19   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-04-22  8:48     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-22 22:35       ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-04-23  7:39         ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-23 17:02           ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-04-23 18:12             ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-23 18:26               ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-23 21:08               ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-04-24  6:29                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-24 16:57                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-04-24 19:59                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2016-04-25  6:49                       ` Andreas Röhler
2016-04-22 13:42     ` Andy Moreton
2016-04-23 17:14       ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-04-22 14:33 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-22 18:58 ` Richard Stallman
2016-04-22 20:22   ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-04-23 12:27     ` Andreas Röhler
2016-04-23 12:38     ` Richard Stallman
2016-04-23 17:31       ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-04-24  9:22         ` Richard Stallman

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