From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: master cbef1e9 2/3: ; make change-history-commit Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 14:30:34 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <552ED87A.3000405@cs.ucla.edu> References: <20150409172246.20602.44549@vcs.savannah.gnu.org> <5526E084.4060403@cs.ucla.edu> <552B6910.7090403@cs.ucla.edu> <21806.41548.239019.246211@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1429133701 7624 80.91.229.3 (15 Apr 2015 21:35:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 21:35:01 +0000 (UTC) To: Glenn Morris , Emacs developers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 15 23:34:53 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YiUxR-0005yH-BK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 23:34:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34207 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YiUxQ-0005rY-CY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 17:34:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38768) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YiUtN-0005TD-Tw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 17:30:42 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YiUtJ-0008FJ-Io for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 17:30:41 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.62]:43969) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YiUtJ-0008FC-3a; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 17:30:37 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAB6EA60078; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 14:30:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smtp.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1DBcG2GfS0-Z; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 14:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47978A60071; Wed, 15 Apr 2015 14:30:35 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 In-Reply-To: <21806.41548.239019.246211@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.62 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:185487 Archived-At: On 04/15/2015 10:39 AM, Glenn Morris wrote: > maybe it is actually easier for people to correct the generated C'log, > rather than figure out what commit log they should have written. > Yes, I think it's more natural. I've done it the other way, with Coreutils, and the problem is that hacking on a ChangeLog edit script is one more thing for developers to learn, and that's a barrier to fixing ChangeLog history. It's OK for Coreutils, whose few developers have been coached to write consistent-format commit messages and where people don't much care about a ChangeLog typo unless it's something important (like proper attribution). It wouldn't work as well for for Emacs, which has dozens of developers not all of who are on the same page with regards to commit message format, and which has a greater emphasis on typo-free ChangeLog history. Anyway, I installed the two changes we discussed, so we should be better off than we were before.