From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: "Drew Adams" Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: Emacs Windows barebin distribution Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:50:28 -0800 Message-ID: <551F5F9812F347C08746E86B58C59129@us.oracle.com> References: <4F8ADAFC.9030308@gmail.com> <831unp0xzq.fsf@gnu.org> <837gpj0vyo.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1353253861 22174 80.91.229.3 (18 Nov 2012 15:51:01 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:51:01 +0000 (UTC) Cc: cschol2112@googlemail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "'Eli Zaretskii'" , "'Mathias Dahl'" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 18 16:51:12 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Ta79L-000274-Ak for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 16:51:11 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47674 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ta79B-0006nz-78 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 10:51:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:47652) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ta796-0006kT-3b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 10:50:59 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ta793-0000zb-1O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 10:50:56 -0500 Original-Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:36190) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Ta78z-0000y1-3c; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 10:50:49 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet22.oracle.com (acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.2.2) with ESMTP id qAIFok2X002352 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:50:47 GMT Original-Received: from acsmt357.oracle.com (acsmt357.oracle.com [141.146.40.157]) by acsinet22.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qAIFohNC022386 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:50:45 GMT Original-Received: from abhmt108.oracle.com (abhmt108.oracle.com [141.146.116.60]) by acsmt357.oracle.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id qAIFofCY013004; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 09:50:43 -0600 Original-Received: from dradamslap1 (/71.202.147.44) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:50:38 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <837gpj0vyo.fsf@gnu.org> Thread-Index: Ac3FodW9HjNZJq+QQAOVHsONtlxPdQAAJaOg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6157 X-Source-IP: acsinet22.oracle.com [141.146.126.238] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 156.151.31.81 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:154913 Archived-At: > > Would it be possible to check the access logs to see how many people > > actually download the barebin files? > > Since I wrote the mail to which you responded, 7 months have passed > and no one complained. I think by now it should be clear that no one > needs this. No. Bad reasoning. Such silence does not at all make that clear. 1. I do not need/use barebin's, myself (to be clear). 2. Poll the _users_, as Richard so often requests in vain. It means next to nothing to wait 7 months and not hear any objection on the Emacs _development_ list. This list does not represent a reasonable cross section of Emacs _users_. 3. Matthias's suggestion is the best approach, assuming it can be done. Certainly the number of users who actually download barebins is an even more accurate indication of the need than a user poll would be. But my reason for chiming in here is to object to the point of view that a 7-month silence on the emacs-devel list is a good indication of what users want or need. That's, well, just silly. And parochial. Emacs is for its users, not for its developers. That's the right attitude for its developers to have, and it's the attitude that will give its developers the most satisfaction in the long run. Yes, Emacs has the advantage that many of its users also help develop it, and its developers are also users. But there are many other users out there, on beyond emacs-devel. And that includes users who download development versions of the product.