From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: VC mode and git Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 11:46:05 -0700 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <5513026D.8040303@cs.ucla.edu> References: <20150324163714.GA27775@thyrsus.com> <83y4mmpb1n.fsf@gnu.org> <20150324173536.GA30608@thyrsus.com> <83twxap92g.fsf@gnu.org> <20150324181936.GA31705@thyrsus.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1427309204 22622 80.91.229.3 (25 Mar 2015 18:46:44 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2015 18:46:44 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eliz@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org, esr@thyrsus.com Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 25 19:46:35 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1YaqJv-0007sq-T6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 19:46:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40949 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YaqJv-0005Nd-5U for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 14:46:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50316) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YaqJj-0005NF-7g for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 14:46:16 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YaqJi-0004BT-8c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 14:46:15 -0400 Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.62]:44109) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1YaqJc-0004AI-AG; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 14:46:08 -0400 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4B13A60001; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 11:46:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smtp.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i+GndtPGeueF; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 11:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5060A39E8014; Wed, 25 Mar 2015 11:46:06 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.5.0 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.62 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:184255 Archived-At: On 03/25/2015 07:43 AM, Richard Stallman wrote: > In general, the messages opposing this change have presented arguments > that are weak: possible problems for expert git users that have > obvious solutions that would be be easy for an expert git user to use. In my experience, few git users are expert enough to solve all the problems mentioned in this thread on their own, without a lot of head-scratching or consulting friends etc. However, most non-expert Git users will want to maintain the distinction between committing and pushing, as this distinction is basic to Git and is typically preferred. If VC by default conflated committing with pushing, I expect that would cause more problems than it'd cure, even among non-experts.