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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -17 X-Spam_score: -1.8 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=_AUTOLEARN X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:249462 Archived-At: On 09.05.2020 06:50, Richard Stallman wrote: > > But his general point is probably valid: the more we alienate the > > third-party community, and the more we are dismissive of their needs and > > expectations, the more likely they are to discount any of our other > > recommendations, pay no attention whether a package is in GNU ELPA or > > not, and generally use whatever programs that*do* attend to their needs. > > Don't worry, it won't make a big difference. > We must not suppose we desperately need someone to like us. We must not create such dislike over relatively unimportant issues either.