From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2014 23:38:44 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <5486A704.6090305@cs.ucla.edu> References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <2815659.zRQ0WWWeRr@descartes> <20141205175810.GD3120@thyrsus.com> <87lhmlncb1.fsf@earlgrey.lan> <20141205193643.GB5067@thyrsus.com> <87tx19rd1b.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <20141205215138.GF7784@thyrsus.com> <54823617.4000406@cs.ucla.edu> <83k325195l.fsf@gnu.org> <5482D94B.2070102@cs.ucla.edu> <5484FF31.5010808@cs.ucla.edu> <5485FC59.5030700@cs.ucla.edu> <87388p6glt.fsf@engster.org> <871to9lw6g.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418110954 27042 80.91.229.3 (9 Dec 2014 07:42:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2014 07:42:34 +0000 (UTC) To: David Kastrup , emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 09 08:42:27 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XyFRB-00050H-Jb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 08:42:25 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38257 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XyFRB-0003nN-7c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 02:42:25 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36479) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XyFO0-0001VX-6F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 02:39:15 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XyFNs-000504-Kf for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 02:39:08 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.62]:41114) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XyFNk-0004vD-6m; Tue, 09 Dec 2014 02:38:52 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF02BA60052; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 23:38:50 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smtp.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ufw8NRICTv68; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 23:38:45 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.9] (pool-71-177-17-123.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.177.17.123]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0C289A6003E; Mon, 8 Dec 2014 23:38:45 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.3.0 In-Reply-To: <871to9lw6g.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 131.179.128.62 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179530 Archived-At: David Kastrup wrote: > I don't actually see the big deal in compilation times for a full > compilation. It's not like one does it all the time. I do it all the time when I'm editing manuals, because I want to check the output. Or at least, I *used* to do it back when Texinfo was reasonably fast. Also, if I check out another branch and do a "make", the other branch may have different manuals and so this may force "make" to rebuild them, and "make" may take a long time, even when using "make -j" -- the manuals are now *so* slow to process that they are often on the critical path for "make -j". I did find a simple way to avoid the performance problem: don't edit the documentation and don't switch branches. But these restrictions are really off-putting. We need to do better.