From: Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>,
Nic Ferrier <nferrier@ferrier.me.uk>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Generators (iterators) for Gnu Emacs
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2014 15:39:22 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5484E52A.8020107@dancol.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwv4mt7ox88.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>
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On 12/07/2014 03:31 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> That's a terrible idea. It makes it much harder to reason about the
>> correct operation of programs, since now it makes it virtually
>> impossible to implement find-definition functionality without lots of
>> type inference.
>
> That's indeed the main problem, and I agree it's a serious one.
>
>> There's also the runtime overhead of dynamic dispatch.
>
> That's not relevant: one way or another there is dynamic dispatch,
> regardless what system we use.
That's not true: if we send messages to objects, we can only know the
code to execute after examining the object. If we invoke functions
directly, we know *statically* what code runs where.
>> Common Lisp solved this problem 20 years ago with namespaces. We should
>> just implement CL namespaces instead of trying to shoehorn Smalltalk
>> into the language. Would you accept a CL packages implementation?
>
> Last time this was discussed (a year ago, maybe?), we neded turning it
> down, mostly because `M-x grep RET' can't be used for find-definition
> and find-uses.
*Any* solution that frees developers from spelling all symbols in full
will have that disadvantage. At least namespaces make it relatively
symbol to determine the fully-resolved symbol from lexical context
without requiring a full type inference pass.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-12-07 23:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-12-04 23:43 Generators (iterators) for Gnu Emacs Michael Heerdegen
2014-12-05 1:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 2:42 ` Leo Liu
2014-12-05 3:23 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05 3:32 ` Leo Liu
2014-12-05 4:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 8:52 ` Leo Liu
2014-12-05 14:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 14:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 15:34 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05 18:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 22:08 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-06 9:38 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-05 22:08 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05 22:08 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05 22:08 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05 22:08 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05 22:08 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05 22:08 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05 22:08 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05 22:08 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05 9:54 ` David Kastrup
2014-12-05 14:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 17:12 ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-12-05 18:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 19:06 ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-12-06 3:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 18:01 ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-12-05 19:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 22:54 ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-12-05 5:47 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2014-12-05 14:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 17:20 ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-12-05 19:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 22:26 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-06 0:13 ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-12-06 0:22 ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-12-06 4:09 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-06 9:12 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-06 22:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-07 3:10 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-07 6:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-07 7:51 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-07 16:22 ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-07 17:40 ` Namespace macros (was: Generators (iterators) for Gnu Emacs) Helmut Eller
2014-12-08 0:11 ` Artur Malabarba
2014-12-08 7:55 ` Namespace macros Helmut Eller
2014-12-08 8:36 ` Artur Malabarba
2014-12-08 9:17 ` Helmut Eller
2014-12-08 11:02 ` Artur Malabarba
2014-12-08 11:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-08 11:42 ` Artur Malabarba
2014-12-08 11:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-08 12:52 ` Helmut Eller
2014-12-08 20:59 ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-08 23:37 ` Artur Malabarba
2014-12-09 0:25 ` Helmut Eller
2014-12-07 18:30 ` Generators (iterators) for Gnu Emacs Drew Adams
2014-12-08 0:25 ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-08 1:21 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-08 5:34 ` Drew Adams
2014-12-08 20:59 ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-08 21:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-09 19:35 ` namespaces Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-08 20:59 ` Generators (iterators) for Gnu Emacs Richard Stallman
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2014-12-08 21:17 ` Drew Adams
2014-12-07 16:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-07 17:29 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-07 21:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-07 21:26 ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-07 21:32 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-07 21:43 ` Drew Adams
2014-12-07 23:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-07 23:39 ` Daniel Colascione [this message]
2014-12-08 2:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-08 2:24 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-08 3:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-08 10:01 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-12-08 20:35 ` David Engster
2014-12-08 21:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-08 0:18 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-08 2:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-08 2:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-07 8:54 ` David Kastrup
2014-12-07 9:25 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
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