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From: Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	 Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web.de>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Generators (iterators) for Gnu Emacs
Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 17:26:03 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <548230FB.40307@dancol.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvr3wdx60u.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

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On 12/05/2014 02:16 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote:
>> I think we could do so, though, apart from the definition, our packages
>> seem quite disjoint.
> 
> I prefer to look at it as "complementary".
> 
>> Anyway, it would be good if Daniel's generators would then be valid
>> iterators in terms of the new iterator.el.
> 
> Indeed, that would be nice.  Can you try and work that out?

Assuming both packages are suitable for inclusion into core, we can definitely make them work together. I'd still very much like to use nonlocal control flow instead of a sentinel for enumeration termination, however.  

That aside, I'm not sure I agree with your namespace preferences. `yield' is fundamentally a lexically-scoped macro. Making it defer to some prior definition makes no sense, since any code that can see this macro is already written with generators in mind.

I'd also strongly prefer using `next' as the iter-get function. If we're going to make the iteration protocol a core part of the environment, it deserves a prominent place in the global namespace. Using `funcall' is inadequate: first, it doesn't signal iteration in calling code, which can lead to confusion, and second, `funcall' doesn't work if we want to extent `next' to support things like lists, for which `next' would be equivalent to `pop'. AFAICT, nothing is already squatting on `next', so binding the symbol's function slot would be harmless for a compatibility perspective.

I'd also prefer using `iterating' as the cl-loop keyword. Because the keyword is only active in the lexical scope of a cl-loop construct, there's an even lower risk of collision, and the word "iterating" is exactly the right thing in the cl-loop language: (cl-loop for x iterating y collect x) reads very well.


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  reply	other threads:[~2014-12-05 22:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-12-04 23:43 Generators (iterators) for Gnu Emacs Michael Heerdegen
2014-12-05  1:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05  2:42   ` Leo Liu
2014-12-05  3:23     ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05  3:32       ` Leo Liu
2014-12-05  4:19         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05  8:52           ` Leo Liu
2014-12-05 14:40             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 14:48             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 15:34               ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05 18:32                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 22:08                   ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-06  9:38                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-12-05 22:08                   ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05 22:08                   ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05 22:08                   ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05 22:08                   ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05 22:08                   ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05 22:08                   ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05 22:08                   ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05 22:08                   ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-05  9:54   ` David Kastrup
2014-12-05 14:51     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 17:12       ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-12-05 18:34         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 19:06           ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-12-06  3:53             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 18:01   ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-12-05 19:19     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 22:54       ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-12-05  5:47 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2014-12-05 14:49   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 17:20     ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-12-05 19:16       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-05 22:26         ` Daniel Colascione [this message]
2014-12-06  0:13           ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-12-06  0:22             ` Michael Heerdegen
2014-12-06  4:09           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-06  9:12             ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-06 22:24               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-07  3:10                 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-07  6:12                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-07  7:51                     ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-07 16:22                       ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-12-07 17:40                         ` Namespace macros (was: Generators (iterators) for Gnu Emacs) Helmut Eller
2014-12-08  0:11                           ` Artur Malabarba
2014-12-08  7:55                             ` Namespace macros Helmut Eller
2014-12-08  8:36                               ` Artur Malabarba
2014-12-08  9:17                                 ` Helmut Eller
2014-12-08 11:02                                   ` Artur Malabarba
2014-12-08 11:21                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-08 11:42                                       ` Artur Malabarba
2014-12-08 11:52                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-08 12:52                                     ` Helmut Eller
2014-12-08 20:59                                       ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-08 23:37                                         ` Artur Malabarba
2014-12-09  0:25                                         ` Helmut Eller
2014-12-07 18:30                         ` Generators (iterators) for Gnu Emacs Drew Adams
2014-12-08  0:25                         ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-08  1:21                           ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-08  5:34                             ` Drew Adams
2014-12-08 20:59                               ` Richard Stallman
2014-12-08 21:48                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-09 19:35                                   ` namespaces Ivan Shmakov
2014-12-08 20:59                             ` Generators (iterators) for Gnu Emacs Richard Stallman
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     [not found]                             ` <<9ae6762d-a52a-4a06-b2e9-dab893a22d38@default>
     [not found]                               ` <<E1Xy5Os-0004cU-HF@fencepost.gnu.org>
2014-12-08 21:17                                 ` Drew Adams
2014-12-07 16:51                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-07 17:29                         ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-07 21:17                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-07 21:26                             ` Nic Ferrier
2014-12-07 21:32                             ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-07 21:43                               ` Drew Adams
2014-12-07 23:31                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-07 23:39                                 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-08  2:23                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-08  2:24                                     ` Daniel Colascione
2014-12-08  3:23                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-08 10:01                                         ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-12-08 20:35                                         ` David Engster
2014-12-08 21:45                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-08  0:18                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-08  2:25                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-12-08  2:55                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-12-07  8:54                 ` David Kastrup
2014-12-07  9:25                   ` Stephen J. Turnbull
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