From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?windows-1252?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Why flip RET and C-j with electric-indent-mode? Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 10:59:42 +0100 Message-ID: <547AEA8E.9080303@easy-emacs.de> References: <20141128153825244895059@bob.proulx.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417341651 5450 80.91.229.3 (30 Nov 2014 10:00:51 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 10:00:51 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List" To: Bob Proulx Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 30 11:00:44 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xv1J6-0003De-El for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 11:00:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50034 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xv1J6-0004AE-49 for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 05:00:44 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36709) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xv1Ic-00049K-Ix for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 05:00:22 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xv1IV-0003yK-3l for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 05:00:14 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.24]:50837) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xv1IU-0003rh-Qu for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 05:00:07 -0500 Original-Received: from [192.168.178.32] (brln-4dba6b43.pool.mediaWays.net [77.186.107.67]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreue104) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MJCxO-1XsG8b2lp4-002sPM; Sun, 30 Nov 2014 10:59:59 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/31.2.0 In-Reply-To: <20141128153825244895059@bob.proulx.com> X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:3VJ+iTpAncftrPLuEKJQ4ciiSOt5LchfSx0NAVsehsq XTZOHOm46NNDLDxaHKDGfSEkahVKfMGp1Spb3CspMEyxFEW0jU VYTpKYaa4YmEM/O+7Br8Ae5IF5WdAXk8OcYE+BMRRzfZ2Bg94Z FjwsT96oQjOb5UcUfFXbgGxN01H+7/HupBcH88fq3HVL0EBsH5 glpuzFAFXGGwo42hOiG6HDE999T3bv9W58atFmDyH2ypJFxgXA ADPxDn4XAp1arrozs4JauBKprM4AoU1GAERJX7VmT4MabBAeuo Vnvwrqb/yLpW9DYgxT/fDE5cWmnbFkUVy+SxPuvWYOdjP09HSN 1/kole+avtj3iTgyhXRw8UOm1CuDPiPKLqKglvL7X X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.17.24 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:101311 Archived-At: On 28.11.2014 23:56, Bob Proulx wrote: > So why did emacs flip RET and C-j with electric-indent-mode? It has > always been that typing RET in fundamental mode would insert a > newline. C-j would insert a newline and indent. This is now broken > in emacs24.4 and later. Now those two actions are reversed! > Aaarrrgghh! > +1 In shell-modes --which are a major asset of Emacs-- RET still sends a newline. Feels fairly inconsistent. In favour of reverting this change, Andreas