From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Paul Eggert Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19113: Generate a ChangeLog file from commit logs Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 11:16:49 -0800 Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Message-ID: <54762721.4060908@cs.ucla.edu> References: <546D2E75.6090701@cs.ucla.edu> <837fyp7tvi.fsf@gnu.org> <546E2899.4050702@cs.ucla.edu> <54756754.5090103@cs.ucla.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417029510 18616 80.91.229.3 (26 Nov 2014 19:18:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 19:18:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 19113@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Nov 26 20:18:23 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xti6X-0005Mi-Az for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 20:18:21 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35691 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xti6W-0000QH-S1 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 14:18:20 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42179) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xti6L-0000Ej-D6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 14:18:16 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xti6D-0001RU-UX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 14:18:09 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:49363) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xti6D-0001RP-SA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 14:18:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xti6D-0007xt-J2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 14:18:01 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Paul Eggert Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 19:18:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19113 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch Original-Received: via spool by 19113-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19113.141702942230543 (code B ref 19113); Wed, 26 Nov 2014 19:18:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19113) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2014 19:17:02 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46576 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xti5G-0007wZ-0h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 14:17:02 -0500 Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.62]:35203) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xti5D-0007w4-An for 19113@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 14:17:00 -0500 Original-Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA54A600C9; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 11:16:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at smtp.cs.ucla.edu Original-Received: from smtp.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (smtp.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RjoQQdHdjq6d; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 11:16:49 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from penguin.cs.ucla.edu (Penguin.CS.UCLA.EDU [131.179.64.200]) by smtp.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8F3CAA60016; Wed, 26 Nov 2014 11:16:49 -0800 (PST) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.2.0 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:96641 Archived-At: On 11/26/2014 07:12 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > Why emacs-24? Because it'd be a pain to deal with the development and master branches using different policies for ChangeLogs. If emacs-24 stuck to the old policy and master used the new one, not only would developers have to remember which policy to use with which branch, the merging procedure would be complicated by the need to merge ChangeLogs developed in the old policy with the automatically-generated ChangeLogs of the new. There would inevitably be hassles with dropped logs and duplicates and so forth. We have enough problems already with the merge procedure (as far as I can tell, it's never been done since the switch to git). So it'd be much better to change both branches at once, assuming emacs-24 is still active. As a side benefit, I'm volunteering to do the first merge from emacs-24 to master, which would be useful experience for us all. > Patch 3 sounds like a bad idea. OK, let's leave it out. > I prefer dropping ChangeLog files from the VCS. But the benefits are > likely not high enough to justify alienating other core maintainers, > so we should only go ahead if we can get their explicit agreement first. Please feel free to ask them. In the long run it'd less work for everybody if we did the switch, and I'm volunteering to do the legwork. A request from you would carry more weight than one from me.