From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: chad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: GnuTLS for W32 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 17:05:32 -0800 Message-ID: <546D7C22-520D-46A9-8AA1-9D33CF2F6782@gmail.com> References: <87vcosskhc.fsf@wanadoo.es> <831urgr2yr.fsf@gnu.org> <87r4zgsh2w.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ipks3zbo.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87boqk3q69.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87aa634st8.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fwfvsgfv.fsf@wanadoo.es> <877h17scdo.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87hb0b77nr.fsf@lifelogs.com> <8739bvs27m.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87ty4b4329.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87hb0b3yoe.fsf@lifelogs.com> <6ED011D5-E185-44C6-BB31-A445A4E5F83A@gmail.com> <87wr976otx.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ipkq6yy5.fsf@lifelogs.com> <3FB40138-C766-4A45-8E5A-4E404449995E@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1325811950 4517 80.91.229.12 (6 Jan 2012 01:05:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 01:05:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Juanma Barranquero Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 06 02:05:46 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RiyFb-0006rn-3B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2012 02:05:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47844 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RiyFZ-0008T8-PK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 20:05:41 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:36260) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RiyFW-0008T3-OG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 20:05:39 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RiyFU-0003Mf-U1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 20:05:38 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-qw0-f41.google.com ([209.85.216.41]:37965) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RiyFU-0003MV-RJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 20:05:36 -0500 Original-Received: by qabg40 with SMTP id g40so817741qab.0 for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 17:05:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:mime-version:content-type:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to:x-mailer; bh=DGYQpgpddMfyHykvlq00eghAAIB5tjG/T75UYLPtFbo=; b=qnI/AYlVuQ+FDdfGT2aIbntyZKTR2os+jTkcXrj22Sk6vFoey7LlGr+2B9NlSdE4kC usprZqbXZ+vKUHnDbPki4gLPZnQoiwq0rKV4oqS+pVwhUXeLh2YbQCcatgoAMJO6Q4aE L+66jmG9ecr8Q06GVdvqPzKbax40ebqDaGikI= Original-Received: by 10.224.95.197 with SMTP id e5mr5391182qan.0.1325811936218; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 17:05:36 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: from [10.0.0.120] ([12.198.236.170]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t4sm40278692qal.17.2012.01.05.17.05.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 05 Jan 2012 17:05:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) X-Received-From: 209.85.216.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:147377 Archived-At: On Jan 5, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Juanma Barranquero wrote: > On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 00:32, Juanma Barranquero = wrote: >=20 > LibreOffice, I mean. >=20 > Steel Bank Common Lisp. InkScape. Wireshark. ActivePerl. Bazaar. > Dropbox. Apache. MySQL. GIMP... DropBox updates itself without telling you: How do I upgrade to the latest version of the Dropbox = application? [...] Dropbox will silently update itself in the background. LibreOffice has automatic updates: http://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Online_Update Bazaar tells you to use your package manager (although not on Windows): Use your package manager to upgrade to the latest version. I stopped looking there. Most of those are typically (that is, for the typical = user/administrator) checked and managed by the operating system's = package manager, as far as I can tell. Sure, people can manage them by = hand (I have and still do myself), but that's certainly not *typical*. = When I still lived inside of GNU/Linux, I used kernel distributions only = long enough to configure and build my own, but I certainly don't expect = that kind of behavior from the typical Windows, Mac OS X, or Ubuntu = user. I also don't think it should be the default. As I understand it, = you seem to be saying that it should. To be clear: I'm asking you why you object to an easily-disabled system = that checks for the existence of updates deemed critical by a human = being, and warns the user if it finds them. I'm not talking about = distributing binaries (although there certainly are people who are = saying it would be convenient if someone did that, too). *Chad