From: chad <yandros@gmail.com>
To: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: GnuTLS for W32
Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 17:05:32 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <546D7C22-520D-46A9-8AA1-9D33CF2F6782@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAeL0SRh5QK1ihWNLr07ZPjhdkJaiEuKNak6SrGtwgKA6M_n_A@mail.gmail.com>
On Jan 5, 2012, at 4:09 PM, Juanma Barranquero wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 00:32, Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> LibreOffice, I mean.
>
> Steel Bank Common Lisp. InkScape. Wireshark. ActivePerl. Bazaar.
> Dropbox. Apache. MySQL. GIMP...
DropBox updates itself without telling you:
How do I upgrade to the latest version of the Dropbox application?
[...] Dropbox will silently update itself in the background.
LibreOffice has automatic updates:
http://help.libreoffice.org/Common/Online_Update
Bazaar tells you to use your package manager (although not on Windows):
Use your package manager to upgrade to the latest version.
I stopped looking there.
Most of those are typically (that is, for the typical user/administrator) checked and managed by the operating system's package manager, as far as I can tell. Sure, people can manage them by hand (I have and still do myself), but that's certainly not *typical*. When I still lived inside of GNU/Linux, I used kernel distributions only long enough to configure and build my own, but I certainly don't expect that kind of behavior from the typical Windows, Mac OS X, or Ubuntu user. I also don't think it should be the default. As I understand it, you seem to be saying that it should.
To be clear: I'm asking you why you object to an easily-disabled system that checks for the existence of updates deemed critical by a human being, and warns the user if it finds them. I'm not talking about distributing binaries (although there certainly are people who are saying it would be convenient if someone did that, too).
*Chad
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2011-12-31 13:46 ` gnutls for win32 Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-01 11:10 ` Nikos Mavrogiannopoulos
2012-01-01 11:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-01 14:13 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-01 16:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-01 16:38 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-01 17:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-01 21:17 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-01 21:28 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-01 21:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-01 23:54 ` GnuTLS for W32 (was: gnutls for win32) Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-02 0:49 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 1:33 ` GnuTLS for W32 Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-02 1:44 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 2:35 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-02 2:57 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 3:18 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-02 4:02 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 16:16 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-02 17:31 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 17:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 18:51 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-02 22:35 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-03 0:48 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 6:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 14:07 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 17:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 17:48 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 18:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 18:34 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 19:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 19:48 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 20:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 20:25 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 6:48 ` Chong Yidong
2012-01-04 8:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 3:45 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-04 5:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 7:03 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-04 8:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 11:21 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-04 11:33 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-04 11:57 ` Lennart Borgman
2012-01-04 12:06 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-04 12:37 ` David Engster
2012-01-04 18:42 ` Lennart Borgman
2012-01-04 18:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 13:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 14:14 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 15:05 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-04 15:42 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 16:29 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-04 17:00 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-04 18:48 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 5:40 ` joakim
2012-01-05 15:52 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 19:21 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 19:45 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-04 23:00 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05 0:18 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 2:00 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05 2:36 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 6:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05 6:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05 7:04 ` Daniel Colascione
2012-01-05 11:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 20:37 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-04 20:41 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-04 22:12 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-04 22:47 ` chad
2012-01-04 23:16 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 5:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05 13:50 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 14:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05 14:50 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 16:19 ` chad
2012-01-05 20:30 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 23:14 ` chad
2012-01-05 23:32 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 23:58 ` Richard Riley
2012-01-06 0:05 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 7:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-06 0:09 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 1:05 ` chad [this message]
2012-01-06 1:13 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 1:24 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-06 1:48 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 2:37 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-06 3:08 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 3:56 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-06 4:11 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 5:49 ` chad
2012-01-06 7:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-06 12:35 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07 2:34 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-06 13:39 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07 2:31 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-07 3:37 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-07 9:30 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07 13:37 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-07 15:10 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07 1:36 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-07 1:46 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07 5:07 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-07 1:23 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-05 15:08 ` joakim
2012-01-05 15:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-05 17:52 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 18:29 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-05 20:06 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-06 3:15 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-06 3:37 ` chad
2012-01-05 20:38 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 20:36 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 20:39 ` Richard Riley
2012-01-05 22:45 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 22:35 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 22:43 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 23:28 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-05 23:38 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-05 23:55 ` Richard Riley
2012-01-05 23:59 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 7:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-07 2:03 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-07 5:40 ` Richard Riley
2012-01-07 13:35 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-07 14:51 ` Richard Riley
2012-01-07 15:12 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-08 15:33 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 1:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-09 14:26 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 14:26 ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 15:30 ` NaCl support for Emacs Stefan Monnier
2012-01-09 16:43 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-09 16:59 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 17:48 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-09 18:17 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 18:21 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-10 1:45 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 16:53 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 22:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-10 1:06 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 1:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-10 1:43 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 1:54 ` Richard Riley
2012-01-10 2:34 ` libnettle for Emacs (was: NaCl support for Emacs) Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 2:43 ` libnettle for Emacs Richard Riley
2012-01-10 3:01 ` NaCl support " Daniel Colascione
2012-01-10 11:45 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 12:51 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 3:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-10 11:54 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 12:51 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-10 13:49 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-10 16:01 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-10 20:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-09 20:48 ` joakim
2012-01-09 17:09 ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-09 17:26 ` NaCl support for Emacs Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-09 17:29 ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-10 0:57 ` NaCl support for Emacs Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-10 10:01 ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-10 10:46 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11 5:09 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 10:42 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11 12:26 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 12:49 ` NaCl support for Emacs Harald Hanche-Olsen
2012-01-11 12:59 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11 15:47 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 15:58 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11 16:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 14:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2012-01-11 14:23 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-11 16:04 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-11 19:40 ` NaCl support for Emacs (was: GnuTLS for W32) Richard Stallman
2012-01-08 7:40 ` GnuTLS for W32 Stephen J. Turnbull
2012-01-08 8:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-06 0:43 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-06 0:59 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 14:08 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-06 14:35 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 15:26 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-06 15:47 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-06 16:50 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-07 10:24 ` Chong Yidong
2012-01-07 13:14 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-07 13:28 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-07 21:03 ` Reiner Steib
2012-01-05 5:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 21:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 22:34 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05 6:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-05 15:17 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05 18:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 18:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 19:42 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 21:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 15:15 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-04 18:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 19:39 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 21:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 23:18 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-05 6:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 7:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 13:06 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-03 13:37 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-03 14:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 15:00 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-03 15:05 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-03 17:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 18:10 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-03 7:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 13:09 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-03 17:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-04 11:02 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-04 12:26 ` joakim
2012-01-04 14:22 ` Óscar Fuentes
2012-01-04 18:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-03 14:14 ` Jason Rumney
2012-01-02 17:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 8:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 10:42 ` Andreas Schwab
2012-01-02 11:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 12:26 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-02 12:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 14:03 ` Andreas Schwab
2012-01-02 17:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 8:47 ` GnuTLS for W32 (was: gnutls for win32) Eli Zaretskii
2012-01-02 9:47 ` GnuTLS for W32 Jason Rumney
2012-01-03 19:51 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2012-01-01 22:32 ` gnutls for lose32 Richard Stallman
2012-01-02 6:55 ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-02 10:46 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-02 11:51 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 13:09 ` Carsten Mattner
2012-01-02 13:15 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 13:28 ` Juanma Barranquero
2012-01-02 19:05 ` Drew Adams
2012-01-02 16:17 ` Ted Zlatanov
2012-01-02 22:52 ` Richard Stallman
2012-01-02 19:05 ` Drew Adams
2012-01-02 12:17 ` Paul Eggert
2012-01-02 13:06 ` Carsten Mattner
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