From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: David Caldwell Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Rant - Emacs mail is not user friendly Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 09:49:18 -0800 Message-ID: <5468E39E.6040807@porkrind.org> References: <871tp4wut1.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms090605000209090005030502" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1416160218 2567 80.91.229.3 (16 Nov 2014 17:50:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 17:50:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Kelly Dean Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 16 18:50:12 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xq3xh-0000XR-UB for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 18:50:10 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44606 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xq3xh-0003uK-Jn for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 12:50:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35125) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xq3xJ-0003oI-61 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 12:49:51 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xq3xB-0001u1-3c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 12:49:45 -0500 Original-Received: from sa38.galvanix.net ([98.126.48.38]:36952 helo=kill.porkrind.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xq3xA-0001tF-Qm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 12:49:37 -0500 Original-Received: from porkrind.org (cpe-76-170-36-134.socal.res.rr.com [76.170.36.134]) by kill.porkrind.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 212A25F41B; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 09:49:21 -0800 (PST) Authentication-Results: kill.porkrind.org; dkim=pass reason="1536-bit key; unprotected key" header.d=porkrind.org header.i=@porkrind.org header.b=KmJS4sS2; dkim-adsp=pass; dkim-atps=neutral Original-Received: from [10.0.0.10] (black-2.local [10.0.0.10]) (authenticated bits=0) by porkrind.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Debian-8) with ESMTP id sAGHnIEN009505 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Sun, 16 Nov 2014 09:49:19 -0800 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=porkrind.org; s=apoptygma; t=1416160159; bh=T0f0IPIQ7HRgl37fK0bE/e/50CHqTimtr2lgkPjNc90=; h=Date:From:To:CC:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=KmJS4sS2F4THRcVtosDpEATenfbPVMM3oiRzF6cwHFXNlsOOnOEql2eQzr2RFt780 jXk+2uHzyZ/dUiiEPk1BANTwFxw+DsNdv8FocQBx5Sr+5hwUIGOKe2VWEzdKtofEs2 /v76pqqkURCr3TPikenqtoKTjNxxaoA7U5gMCRVWx1k0JsYGqM+ULTTXmk5Uqa1ODc RLiNm5iK5ToArplcYVr5l2QUtAsZd+LcoHA3zcU6xRMsTW+tRSFTskitURL User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/33.0 In-Reply-To: Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwCAQAAAD9CzEMAAAACXBIWXMAAAsTAAALEwEAmpwY AAAABGdBTUEAALGOfPtRkwAAACBjSFJNAAB6JQAAgIMAAPn/AACA6QAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF2+S X8VGAAABiklEQVR42rRYSZIDIQwzLv7/ZXLoEAzeBKG7ag4DRhZeBKQ0Qr5imLWCrKwn0HImc1Mx aAvmmc/cuAT7RMYws6v/gHeb0p4/y5792GJJlLZWOPgsdV5NaRes4Xe4632sLljD7wKv1Ta74H/h MxecN1Rc2TatYcP7zb+6WFfN/zMSHg1Ymuxjrzd+DuLw6Nlekggt1hvr7KK9tRIX85jjM6GTYhfv nzXH3jBdYc4koueBs66M+Xv9O9n5ML4urWssjGeMY3if3bzGSvk30BQ46OOaxJjLCpzPJAzXrOrD z5VFh58TIiwESIiCHNxxwPTy97qDei8YdpVdyYEv6EQcK8n+iTyE/Cn1eoe7HwN+F56oErVSGtJY Q1sR2ehaUHfjvJuv0tL7qAzEbBmfF2IHrVi8zp9N0pZtQZZHOXp/sLW4+hqKvm3iccaPwP3XgnKX n8/YtVeOsnenRG7VCBFlZ5fe3LOyANCVdGAIwDs7tTXGF4hIk15/iAfSgv2UkNFItSszOG3Ha7r0 GQBerhBkHOAzmQAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 98.126.48.38 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:177328 Archived-At: This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms090605000209090005030502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 11/16/14 4:18 AM, Kelly Dean wrote: > Last problem that I do care about is that Emacs keeps inserting line > breaks after 72 characters, so I have to switch out of message-mode > or copy/paste from another buffer to make it stop doing that because > I can't find the setting to turn it off. Looks like it runs "auto-fill-mode". You can turn it off, or you can adjust the column that it wraps with the "fill-column" variable. > Why is it turned on by default? Modern email readers do have > word-wrap, after all. Even Emacs. Probably because of tradition. It's generally considered polite to wrap your column somewhere between 72 to 78. The SMTP spec (RFC 821) says: > The maximum total length of a text line including the is 1000 > characters (but not counting the leading dot duplicated for > transparency). So there is a maximum, though it's about a 13 line paragraph (wrapped at 72). Many email clients (including Thunderbird, which I'm using) use the quotable-printable encoding to encode longer lines (which escapes the line with an "=3D" if it's not meant to end). I guess this idea is to mak= e the raw text mostly readable but still unwrappable. I think it's quite ugly, but it appears to be a pretty universal standard. -David --------------ms090605000209090005030502 Content-Type: application/pkcs7-signature; name="smime.p7s" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="smime.p7s" Content-Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature MIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAqCAMIACAQExCzAJBgUrDgMCGgUAMIAGCSqGSIb3DQEHAQAAoIIMYDCC BiQwggUMoAMCAQICAwkFtDANBgkqhkiG9w0BAQsFADCBjDELMAkGA1UEBhMCSUwxFjAUBgNV BAoTDVN0YXJ0Q29tIEx0ZC4xKzApBgNVBAsTIlNlY3VyZSBEaWdpdGFsIENlcnRpZmljYXRl IFNpZ25pbmcxODA2BgNVBAMTL1N0YXJ0Q29tIENsYXNzIDEgUHJpbWFyeSBJbnRlcm1lZGlh dGUgQ2xpZW50IENBMB4XDTE0MDIxODEwNDcxNFoXDTE1MDIxOTEyNTQzNVowQDEbMBkGA1UE AwwSZGF2aWRAcG9ya3JpbmQub3JnMSEwHwYJKoZIhvcNAQkBFhJkYXZpZEBwb3JrcmluZC5v cmcwggEiMA0GCSqGSIb3DQEBAQUAA4IBDwAwggEKAoIBAQDkzgZ2USy/IIF69iMaP5dgxFrN n/ppK9+HRpKWsesQ71tTX9+CqObNny15tzbNgORggsM5vVB7EdyNOfwhu2ZUn48MVSKnKnIM LmQPJNlYLbSDM33Q+2amNgoWxyvv3lpP44hXDB0Tftwu+0GMagvxKN2kpgVj5PvCai0NAhtR 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