From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#19012: 25.0.50; `help-window-select' Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 12:36:51 +0100 Message-ID: <54688C53.6060204@gmx.at> References: <5462561B.2030306@gmx.at> <561951d1-fee4-44ea-bc22-d354b007601d@default> <54646172.7020801@gmx.at> <5464DC39.4020703@gmx.at> <5464FCD5.6070201@gmx.at> <66cb622a-236c-4e8d-a7ba-cb1de310bb05@default> <5465E967.1050304@gmx.at> <41926108-7556-4b72-ae2c-60933b4ff187@default> <5466300D.2030708@gmx.at> <75786231-f3a3-420f-a0d8-4960e09c720e@default> <54663E6F.6010702@gmx.at> <5453eef4-1955-4b79-819a-43786f56a8cc@default> <5466457F.8000400@gmx.at> <54664AF4.9000606@gmx.at> <97868572-923b-4f0a-bd16-b4d475ddb002@default> <5466532C.2040003@gmx.at> <2b53c981-eaef-47f3-850a-6367b4cd5dc1@default> <546737E1.6010406@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1416137910 21764 80.91.229.3 (16 Nov 2014 11:38:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 11:38:30 +0000 (UTC) To: Drew Adams , 19012@debbugs.gnu.org Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 16 12:38:22 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xpy9t-00073Z-Ug for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 12:38:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43491 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xpy9t-0000H7-Fd for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 06:38:21 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39570) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xpy9i-0008Pr-JL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 06:38:18 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xpy9b-0001Cg-4L for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 06:38:10 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:37142) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xpy9b-0001Cc-1N for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 06:38:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xpy9a-0005bm-RK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 06:38:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 11:38:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 19012 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 19012-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B19012.141613783121412 (code B ref 19012); Sun, 16 Nov 2014 11:38:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 19012) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Nov 2014 11:37:11 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34351 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xpy8k-0005ZI-TY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 06:37:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:53598) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xpy8h-0005Yt-EA for 19012@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 06:37:09 -0500 Original-Received: from [178.190.163.170] ([178.190.163.170]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx002) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Md3ZK-1XYzU41RWU-00IGyz; Sun, 16 Nov 2014 12:37:02 +0100 In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:eabw1aezFOfZ4NcOjDE3emGMT6vW2k9oesmuKzeETWKQJxeluVt KdPsFAEDngkawwL67+99ckGAoiq/+Pec3WYlrDH95fDczu9EKBCp6uaVRH4gDAH4iLhAXjV /lakwhU2SVfJcgW2l81hdCHhG7VIACIBf8Q79azPT4NnxPVgZumPXUqNkpzC/PFUeybe9s1 NHe2jNDl8tcwvfUdRRs4w== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1; X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:96101 >> `temp-buffer-window-setup-hook' is run with *Help* current. So you >> won't have any problems discriminating this special case. > > How so? (Not clear to me.) You can test if the current buffer shows *Help* and change `w32-grab-focus-on-raise' only in that case. >> I cannot possibly use a feature like `w32-grab-focus-on-raise' whose >> semantics I neither understand nor can reenact in my environment in >> the frame/window code of Emacs. > > Do you mean use for testing (this bug)? I think we have established that "this bug" is not a bug. So please refrain from calling it a bug. > Or do you mean use > in general, for your personal use of Emacs? I don't understand what you mean here. > `w32*' is an Emacs option. It is not something non-Emacs (e.g., > from MS Windows), and it is not something that I dreamed up. > It, like `help-window-select', should work (for Emacs). No? `w32-grab-focus-on-raise' is a variable, not an option. IIUC it is a workaround that might work in some cases. Apparently, it can fail in other cases. > Would you please make this change to `help-window-setup'? It would require further tuning. In its current form it would focus a frame that already has focus which is a bad idea. martin