From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: chad Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What would an "An Official" GNU Emacs Book look like? 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:186786 Archived-At: > On 22 May 2015, at 14:31, Richard Stallman wrote: >=20 >>> It may be an advance, but (according to what I've been told) >>> you can't write and run a program in any fashion on an iThing >>> unless you pay for a developer's license. >=20 >> This is not currently correct, but the practical hurdles are enough >> to dissuade many end-users. >=20 > I have confidence in the expert who told me it is not possible, > but if you have evidence to the contrary I'd like to see it. The specific steps are both non-trivial and a moving target, changing with new versions of iOS and developer tools. A new version just came out, so my experience is out of date, but with each version, there is a way. If you would really like the specific details of the current method, I can investigate that and get back to you. If its enough to see a recent method, you can look here: http://iphonedevwiki.net/index.php/Xcode I know you=E2=80=99re short on time and not overly fond of web-based = resources in general, but this one is readable in eww. I certainly did not mean to imply that it was *easy*, but my understanding and (not incredibly-old experience) is that it is possible. Certainly, the vast majority of developers simply sign up for the license, at least once. For most peoples intended use, its a practical requirement. Hope that helps, ~Chad=