From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Dmitry Gutov Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#18643: 25.0.50; elisp--expect-function-p Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 20:31:33 +0400 Message-ID: <54395B65.2060704@yandex.ru> References: <86oatmq7lc.fsf@yandex.ru> <543758F8.2000207@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1413045153 32679 80.91.229.3 (11 Oct 2014 16:32:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 16:32:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 18643@debbugs.gnu.org To: Leo Liu Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 11 18:32:26 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xczaj-0006QA-Of for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 18:32:25 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:54686 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xczaj-0001M2-A1 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 12:32:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50957) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XczaV-000170-5X for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 12:32:18 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XczaN-0002OT-Jo for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 12:32:11 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:49677) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XczaN-0002OL-F2 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 12:32:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XczaM-0000KT-Vl for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 12:32:03 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Dmitry Gutov Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 16:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 18643 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 18643-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B18643.14130451021223 (code B ref 18643); Sat, 11 Oct 2014 16:32:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 18643) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2014 16:31:42 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41240 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Xcza1-0000Je-3d for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 12:31:41 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-la0-f41.google.com ([209.85.215.41]:51204) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1XczZy-0000JT-S4 for 18643@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 12:31:39 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-la0-f41.google.com with SMTP id pn19so4894131lab.28 for <18643@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 09:31:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=sender:message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=t2QZl24fEEZCOy0sfujrdwK5e53iRydS2an6zavlYNk=; b=mVy1J8c90hznS8qwaRNfffBhzntRTzm3EzMgkPKVnB6ESnngfTiFaDuHaNX+4NflV/ eqNDW6iEdY8TFAuuFDZR5EZMtF1XoO8o9+CmlpY0AkLuQwx9acLmT0xrxr/zeVN5q+Bs 6WcXqpO0OaKBbPGlidiYbYJspLsk+DmSqIiDq7xvvzfkTysrk6Z9INke0irz1VDLWPZs Cnho7nBHSlNvEGYKzDVJq0E5PUW+Dd1PNeVI74ATgmrDhjPWVs1ULXJQeEeBeE1uXjLY WgNAkRiR1z07Uvs0+JKfNlNOOvYR+Gd2t1k18yDQifp1J69oITAqzVczsUEw2VOF3FYv 30PA== X-Received: by 10.112.183.233 with SMTP id ep9mr12131750lbc.56.1413045097714; Sat, 11 Oct 2014 09:31:37 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: from [192.168.1.3] ([178.252.98.87]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id ju20sm2845359lab.14.2014.10.11.09.31.36 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 11 Oct 2014 09:31:36 -0700 (PDT) User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 In-Reply-To: X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:94418 On 10/10/2014 08:33 AM, Leo Liu wrote: > Sorry, I am merely reporting this as a usability bug and I don't intend > to get too deep into it (too little time :(). I'm not asking you to code, just to read the available info. Otherwise you're assuming others have the time to repeat the discussions. > I failed so I spoke up but not to blame any change. Why not? vc-annotate is a standard tool. > 1. Leave room for other usage habits; Sure. But unfortunately, supporting a set of different usage habits means the result may be suboptimal for some of them. On 10/11/2014 04:25 AM, Leo Liu wrote: > This gives me a sense that you are thinking about a situation when > someone uses company and has the completions displayed immediately. Yes, that's my point of reference. But on the other hand, you could say that it just emphasises the existing problem: Lisp code outside of quotes usually constitutes the minority of the text in docstrings (and moreso in comments). The rest of the text would be better served by a different completion function (maybe dictionary-based, like Ispell). And if `lisp-completion-at-point' offers completions there, no other completion function can do so. > In standard default emacs behaviour, I had never getting anything > without me asking for it, be it in comments or strings or code. They > only appear when I ask. Maybe someone else would prefer to see actual words as completions, when they are writing prose?