From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#15991: 24.3.50; Wishlist: Make test suite user-friendlier Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 12:00:19 +0200 Message-ID: <53AD40B3.3060503@easy-emacs.de> References: <83pppk8f91.fsf@gnu.org> <8361jnpq0j.fsf@gnu.org> <53AD0515.3050600@easy-emacs.de> <8338eqq4d7.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1403863285 32267 80.91.229.3 (27 Jun 2014 10:01:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 10:01:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 15991@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Jun 27 12:01:18 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1X0Sy5-0005Cp-OZ for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 12:01:17 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49042 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X0Sy5-0005vg-6h for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 06:01:17 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52635) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X0Sxw-0005uf-PC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 06:01:14 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X0Sxq-0005wL-Ho for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 06:01:08 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:43184) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1X0Sxq-0005wC-FA for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 06:01:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X0Sxp-0006Po-Qq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 06:01:01 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 10:01:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 15991 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 15991-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B15991.140386325724639 (code B ref 15991); Fri, 27 Jun 2014 10:01:01 +0000 Original-Received: (at 15991) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Jun 2014 10:00:57 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34334 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X0Sxk-0006PK-3q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 06:00:56 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.24]:50568) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1X0Sxh-0006Ot-Gw for 15991@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 06:00:54 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.178.32] (brln-4dbc73d6.pool.mediaWays.net [77.188.115.214]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreue102) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0Lzs5j-1WeriY1sbj-0155uv; Fri, 27 Jun 2014 12:00:45 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Icedove/24.6.0 In-Reply-To: <8338eqq4d7.fsf@gnu.org> X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:i+PnMpwtItCf9USZ8yQpBPo1pUB1RCOIefMKx+F85fq FHvQ+TCnYx0w2F0fYRA6as5ysaEZj+l6Q0VPyZauDx726TX3+p gDSpx01sNy+m9F711vuRc/b0KIONv1HJq51k0vVwA7oCVT321t 5CPhHZsvAzI7grkSgJ/NHklSbZf4vlt8gh67AkoqEaM+DPTB+s c85oP2boVC+x4POf0aARHT/muDdOgp70J6JdR/Hrxgx1e5KYMs vQp66Zys9ladmN1Gqj4Hc70zBNpQ314r7DfLdy2N/0nI0AjPcg U7AaQLHrkN0n6MDAmQ51+34ZkGZ7wuZ5HPW1grAupR8eRhraue Lq5GguJMTpUqyfDFE2niV//uIieeZo3Qn9RbaFdte X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:90889 Archived-At: On 27.06.2014 08:00, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 07:45:57 +0200 >> From: Andreas Röhler >> >>>> I guess it would be OK, if $GDB could be set to "gdb --args". Thanks. >>> >>> Could you do it? :) >>> I confess I don't know quite where you want it to go... >> >> testing and debugging are quite different things. >> IMO it's not a good idea mixing these. > > I'm not sure I understand what you are saying. When a test fails, > don't you want to debug Emacs to understand why and find a solution? > > So yes, testing and debugging are different things, but when a test > fails, one frequently needs to debug Emacs. > > That depends. IIUC it's about making it more user friendly. Perspective of users is different from core developers. So if, say 10 from 100 tests fail, it doesn't mean to start a debug. Maybe just taking notice and look, if it matters for current task. We had that matter already WRT steep learning curve. Keeping things apart if possible is important. Best, Andreas