From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] trunk r117000: Untabify cl-macs.el Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 01:40:59 -0700 Message-ID: <5354D99B.5090101@dancol.org> References: <5354663D.3050107@dancol.org> <837g6jduo5.fsf@gnu.org> <5354C519.9090005@dancol.org> <83tx9ncc29.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="nJsFxT5jWUItnQEGjEShGPi1nCH5Fgc4E" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1398069692 10975 80.91.229.3 (21 Apr 2014 08:41:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 08:41:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 21 10:41:24 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Wc9n0-0006z4-EV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 10:41:22 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48043 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wc9n0-0001jO-3y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 04:41:22 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56536) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wc9mi-0000u2-Dd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 04:41:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wc9mh-0004ss-Gq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 04:41:04 -0400 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:adf3]:37322) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Wc9mf-0004rl-DN; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 04:41:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=s7+y5PtytjdRqiL1pKe6Of/vYkKryDMoMK6N9zahv8M=; b=bdFrMk3HkhYa3fqkBkhVI2YBZFPWsdCSGIWYyu0xX7N7NIDCV2A6LNAtrWOG9sCRnre4tAG6oOS36tQH7zhcayrI8OsjIxqoFf8MKo8kQttye6IRvVaanpgOYmEaZNo2uaenMbfiIr9JuKo3YsTQ9u0wP+lpHQxeuuPfkB69yuYASEbzlw/ZqUsJvhkY373wOk09tMpF96oR6L7Mk/qqmQ/exDo/3rDUbdtd/KxL4FWlTNcNQScHT3O5/6nOZSAst7snP7MV22PVqqdtFrl0hoLQKApeu1uaoxPdkF5IGcnBpKLyl0ZjYrQFsCk767chHOqTvnHmO3nxKICaRFE3Gg==; Original-Received: from [2601:8:b200:2b6::2b1] by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1Wc9me-0008GL-U4; Mon, 21 Apr 2014 01:41:00 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 In-Reply-To: <83tx9ncc29.fsf@gnu.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:adf3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:171528 Archived-At: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --nJsFxT5jWUItnQEGjEShGPi1nCH5Fgc4E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 04/21/2014 01:38 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 00:13:29 -0700 >> From: Daniel Colascione >> CC: emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >>> Why untabify at all? Using tabs and spaces is the default GNU coding= >>> style, so why should we stray from that? >> >> In Lisp code, using tabs makes no sense: code is frequently lined up >> precisely, so you get a mixture of tabs and spaces anyway, making it >> impossible to use a different tab-width. Why would you want to use tab= s >> at all? >=20 > Tabs make the file smaller.=20 A minor optimization that doesn't matter in 2014. > But more importantly, as I already said, > this is the Emacs default, always has been. So what? Untabify everything and set dir-locals for Emacs to set indent-tabs-mode to nil. >>> (It's an uphill battle you'll lose anyway, because many people, yours= >>> truly included, have indent-tabs-mode set non-nil, >> >> Don't do that then. >=20 > We cannot control what everyone out there does. 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