From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16617: 24.3.50; REGRESSION: `C-q ?' pops up annoying *Char Help* buffer Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 12:32:02 -0700 Message-ID: <533DB732.70704@dancol.org> References: <83ppky9pyn.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="E9E98SHJFXhPnuN4Ba0L4A5cxGoPWfgXQ" X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1396553597 10623 80.91.229.3 (3 Apr 2014 19:33:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 19:33:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: sdl.web@gmail.com, 16617@debbugs.gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii , Drew Adams Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 03 21:33:09 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WVnNs-0000f8-J1 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 21:33:08 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45968 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WVnNs-0008Uo-78 for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 15:33:08 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36871) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WVnNo-0008UX-7O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 15:33:05 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WVnNn-000423-An for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 15:33:04 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:33583) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WVnNn-00041w-8Z for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 15:33:03 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WVnNm-0002LI-C1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 15:33:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Daniel Colascione Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 03 Apr 2014 19:33:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16617 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 16617-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16617.13965535338932 (code B ref 16617); Thu, 03 Apr 2014 19:33:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 16617) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Apr 2014 19:32:13 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34765 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WVnMy-0002Jz-Lw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 15:32:13 -0400 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([96.126.100.184]:49136) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WVnMs-0002Jk-4D for 16617@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 15:32:10 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=JTTg5c9gvnpqpPGeUKUff6QgqQAx7L2e20N3EDMh0ac=; b=phnrOvBG/mWg/GQS8S2PCFNsbSTljLyUsmp3hENkrYqPN+BfXlifRrFWiW7qfSO5A+E8jswj2vCOTXnMcNZaJZlmCts2X+/ZSKjRT9H+STNMdodTBAgq+kNkEZqMCMwmJbhg2gvpKIGYkXiYZJ8GtXBZ2zHgG8tIo9N0r55SlIYKf7xwjCTwR5N0z3uZoayBSlCDOY9KoeKMgCOSbdSa2OFWvxu4kIvi2SQ4L80buFn3QduJqyjgDL8JwpFQHBVehKYkiKmSeADNeNO46Yz7YNY6yxVMz42m888GHjJNhnkNatX6DEFoKdFfFgQpE9EmAQJZDLamo9D1Pd3THJi1Mw==; Original-Received: from [2601:8:b200:551::2b1] by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1WVnMp-0005FR-DV; Thu, 03 Apr 2014 12:32:03 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.4.0 In-Reply-To: <83ppky9pyn.fsf@gnu.org> X-Enigmail-Version: 1.6 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:87727 Archived-At: This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --E9E98SHJFXhPnuN4Ba0L4A5cxGoPWfgXQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Drew's right this time. On 04/03/2014 12:24 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2014 11:38:15 -0700 (PDT) >> From: Drew Adams >> Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, 16617@debbugs.gnu.org >> >> What problem did I report? "`C-q ?' pops up an annoying >> "*Char Help*" buffer." What part of that is not clear? >=20 > It's clear, I just don't agree that it's a problem. It is intended > behavior shared by many other Emacs commands. >=20 >> Why should `C-q ?' show any "help"? >=20 > Because '?' is a help character. We should make an exception for C-q. Its purpose is explicitly to *override* normal Emacs convention. I'd be happy echoing a help message as soon as C-q is entered, and maybe popping up help on F1, but we should certainly treat "?" like any other character. --E9E98SHJFXhPnuN4Ba0L4A5cxGoPWfgXQ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJTPbcyAAoJEMAaIROpHW7IsCgQAMHjKwofJFCi7KB3621yMT3T 1o/KUNwAAgDtozUP9cBAIw4XMHcOl/VkWnCU+4Lbt2cHvqUHH3Z4m0zH2wnRffRc 4MEkBUTEE9Oi1s/rzeG/Nww/Vjclx/vCXlMuH8A6ZWAnPUCZLUK38SO/yQ4ZGPty 2rLRPFaao2QWm0RAv8t0BBI0cXn04/QYNB6micgdfeteCDtVuy664iFAfPqU4qAt 7/Us2BIISoWaTUhZYXVRoTXNg4d1G+9TJ0xPgyIE2xecZvqls9HFLiFD6p8wB8gt U9SIDNaXT2peq58dWrmExpmUeXbhDry/Kc4NUq1vEEPq5IUFJbXmhWdiWy67pb+y qedLCgd8dHqIsnIGDGOYXsWPwkpObPlyGuCDI0HQ2KaS/w1in8EcREf+d887MqPG qoZXwxGqNqJ6HfEbXb0D3k+jenzJajYLNEFrtw1l1GZer62mFQnrsHr3rxVDJcl5 hC7Xv2UnwU6CFW4W6V3n7V+coYuQoDauBv2eGKS8zPyHgwygZ+w46IEIwDBCJalr B0GMPBVfWoNYjVO9XRR3kdB1AWB2IL/4cDaO5Kn5CGMqAj3+w0TOywy0TdWTDO/u PP0uZxJu/fC9mpuSRMLkB4skbyHn58Jv9TFB6mjkB/AHyQ4mU8KUtLS50FOC8vn5 6emu5ayNpdO3RVvAKs1q =C5b2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --E9E98SHJFXhPnuN4Ba0L4A5cxGoPWfgXQ--