From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#16491: 24.3.50; ?REGRESSION: `defadvice' doc removed from Elisp manual Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 14:20:08 -0800 Message-ID: <52E04418.9020509@dancol.org> References: <20140122221111.GA3185@acm.acm> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1390429272 3607 80.91.229.3 (22 Jan 2014 22:21:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 22:21:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: 16491@debbugs.gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie , Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 22 23:21:18 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W66Af-0003pK-Lv for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 23:21:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37830 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W66Af-0006GZ-6w for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 17:21:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:34359) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W66AW-000691-3K for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 17:21:13 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W66AQ-0006eV-Rr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 17:21:07 -0500 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:47017) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W66AQ-0006eR-Ks for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 17:21:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W66AQ-0005RK-61 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 17:21:02 -0500 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: Daniel Colascione Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 22:21:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 16491 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 16491-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B16491.139042922120849 (code B ref 16491); Wed, 22 Jan 2014 22:21:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 16491) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jan 2014 22:20:21 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:32803 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W669k-0005QC-Dh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 17:20:21 -0500 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([96.126.100.184]:51544) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1W669h-0005Q2-Fk for 16491@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 17:20:18 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=fDb0igciqsTQZn0m1MJhvh8PPlsg+LStG7q+Lt61djo=; b=n4MGXLow6x6xPtWiKeJbVL3IlMTAbawqjQsscSdtHqPDHTn5/310DAWdY8mGCjIciUbJsE6IXSLv/peJJeTYJN8TJDdp1oMKXsnK4jIxU8eomF3UD+21YIqp3BNmzZgX0gbSq09syNecnNyzZOE7qCKIMGE4QjVNayCBZ7CKzWCQDm03uX57Za56b0TmSkN1Yoxc6vL4X8A48CV67KfFZkpvxw6Ui0EeeFITAL2LL1dvAMdoPZIaNznnzikyrGuImkGnZsJlY6g++aGrZzQJvbSmQVtVRyZmKe32TgFXCQJn8EVYdAqCWqApNnlMHw7xFayQH52ClBgS98LrQ/PB/A==; Original-Received: from [2620:0:1cfe:a1:2b5:6dff:fe05:24f5] by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1W669e-0004qH-4H; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 14:20:14 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 In-Reply-To: <20140122221111.GA3185@acm.acm> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:83903 Archived-At: On 01/22/2014 02:11 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 09:31:07PM -0500, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> At the very least, it [documentation of defadvice] should be >>> available as an Info manual distributed with Emacs. > >> No, we don't document everything, and since documenting is advertising >> we only document those things which we want people to use. Moving the documentation to a "deprecated" section --- or even a separate elisp manual for deprecated functionality --- woudl be a good compromise. > How about documenting the things those people want to use? I, for one, > need defadvice (in CC Mode), and the message coming out is that the > upcoming Emacs might not be an optimal development platform the way the > current Emacs is. > > Also, how are we encouraging people to convert defadvice to the new > replacement functions if they can't easily access the former's > documentation? What if we did it the other way around and provided a downlevel- and XEmacs-compatible add-function implementation written in terms of old defadvice?