From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs terminology (not again!?) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 19:02:53 -0800 Message-ID: <52D9EEDD.9060109@dancol.org> References: <877gact76s.fsf@gnu.org> <34c8c13b-c5c6-4e5a-9248-b09d5d1936da@default> <87eh4hkq6c.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <52D9E005.6030509@dancol.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1390014252 29478 80.91.229.3 (18 Jan 2014 03:04:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 03:04:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?UTF-8?B?UGVyIFN0YXJiw6Rjaw==?= , "Richard M. Stallman" , David Kastrup , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 18 04:04:17 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W4MCn-0000Xm-5S for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 04:04:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40999 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4MCm-0002yj-Ml for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 22:04:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44332) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4MCe-0002ya-6b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 22:04:14 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4MCY-0001ue-0a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 22:04:08 -0500 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:adf3]:44330) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4MCD-0001rk-VO; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 22:03:42 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=oHcfjPKQZp0LPerThWPLdBu6f0h4R5OeZ9ZRdnRCpqc=; b=OQNd+UmLv8WVfhePxXOwWERnelQWQjgW8Gbilxtxy1qolWJyOMVjWrcQ3QT9dhXzNMS6BHPDypImnyjxgtvbgwP5pRyMvIra/gmYycJhK2gkWwEgmAiR7VJcb3/VPXienGz8oyKitKjOWdvt4Wv11xmrD+Bd5LMbG75uJIVl8s7beLOT7Pieoks364QNVm07aXg476bAxhvAIEwQAc+R0GXGSrn6BHy+am6uPM0hP07dc+NpI6830ZuMU6w9DmoBRBOae7pueixmpU9FMxkyT+nubeUYCGmvys1iYpvM51nEVtnDLU0zXqXpQWERq1W5POcwGGjzX/ObbusZbhjCug==; Original-Received: from [173.252.71.189] (helo=[172.20.16.222]) by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1W4MCC-0002IO-7g; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 19:03:40 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:adf3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:168648 Archived-At: On 01/17/2014 06:59 PM, Lennart Borgman wrote: > On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 2:59 AM, Daniel Colascione > wrote: > What does C-s do in Emacs? What do most novice users expect C-s to > do? In order to use Emacs as a base for gedit, Emacs would have had > to have been warped beyond all recognition. Emacs is a great > environment, but let's not pretend that it's what users migrating > from proprietary desktop operating systems should face when trying > to edit a simple cookie recipe for themselves should have to face. > > Wouldn't you still have recognized the elisp? ;-) > > I would have been much more comfortable with Emacs as the basis for > gedit. Emacs was made to be customize-able, but somehow it still failed > to form the basis for gedit. Is not that a bit unfortunate? (Maybe not, > but what about the future of Emacs then?) Parts of Emacs are very rigid. Try making a mode that allows point to be off-screen while scrolling like it can be in most other editors. Bear in mind also that when gedit was new, Emacs didn't have transient-mark-mode or shift-marking on by default and it didn't support bidirectional text. The Emacs configuration system is also completely different. Would you have integrated customize with gconf? How?