From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs terminology (not again!?) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 17:59:33 -0800 Message-ID: <52D9E005.6030509@dancol.org> References: <877gact76s.fsf@gnu.org> <34c8c13b-c5c6-4e5a-9248-b09d5d1936da@default> <87eh4hkq6c.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1390010441 28587 80.91.229.3 (18 Jan 2014 02:00:41 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 02:00:41 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?UTF-8?B?UGVyIFN0YXJiw6Rjaw==?= , "Richard M. Stallman" , David Kastrup , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" To: Lennart Borgman , Glenn Morris Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 18 03:00:48 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W4LDI-0006PM-Ms for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 18 Jan 2014 03:00:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40901 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4LDI-0000Qn-84 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 21:00:44 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56857) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4LD6-0000QU-5d for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 21:00:37 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4LD1-0007hn-5N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 21:00:31 -0500 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:adf3]:44116) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W4LD0-0007gi-MX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 21:00:27 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dancol.org; s=x; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:CC:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=sc/xt36E5SojF5fMOvM9BEntADfTTH2mfwaf440qkcA=; b=M8PJmuAhdKShtVb5HUEikhbkl9BETv1VAuj+qAtLTcQGibkiWaKJA4CWfjrdUaKrKGzr5xrlYkCpZylcChS+VAlYkZfyiU0zBuUoUAy8FLbjCrvuzZ9GW/ea2pZ/pqvltz7klS266y9FHLJ51pod/3t5K0bMRAD893fjad7Il/BPRJ2mN5wCnnuAUgz9kjhGJAQK44tg5lgKvXUxlj0lhoU+9xnsr821yjWHUt4IqbtKUcz52BrZnX7IsF1bBGXbvpvNKf6iLBhTu+M16gn8LavipOE6WzeSJ0OHRpEMzf5hlkkzdU9oNbH/rhbDAVCyXRpUV4mojERNqcG90pXgLA==; Original-Received: from [173.252.71.189] (helo=[172.20.16.222]) by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1W4LCr-0001w0-5r; Fri, 17 Jan 2014 18:00:17 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.2.0 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:adf3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:168645 Archived-At: On 01/17/2014 05:47 PM, Lennart Borgman wrote: > On Sat, Jan 18, 2014 at 1:11 AM, Glenn Morris > wrote: > > Per Starbäck wrote: > > > I have always thought of GNU Emacs as *the* editor in GNU, that > is the > > default editor. Do you think a GNU system ideally instead should have > > some other ("simple") editor as the default editor? > > If GNU has a default editor, I guess it is the default GNOME one, gedit. > It advertises itself as "aiming at simplicity and ease of use". > > > Why was gedit developed? It looks advanced to me. (I have never used > it.) Why was not Emacs used as a basis for gedit? What does C-s do in Emacs? What do most novice users expect C-s to do? In order to use Emacs as a base for gedit, Emacs would have had to have been warped beyond all recognition. Emacs is a great environment, but let's not pretend that it's what users migrating from proprietary desktop operating systems should face when trying to edit a simple cookie recipe for themselves should have to face.