From: "Jan D." <jan.h.d@swipnet.se>
To: Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
Daniel Colascione <dancol@dancol.org>, Chong Yidong <cyd@gnu.org>,
emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Re: About the :distant-foreground face attribute
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 08:50:03 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <52D63DAB.1070506@swipnet.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAP_d_8UwTPwnOKEsMgYZr2ttBi6hRSC+XnZXN7-svu2e8r3KBg@mail.gmail.com>
Hello.
Yuri Khan skrev 2014-01-15 05:50:
>
> We have region highlighting. We have Isearch highlighting the current
> match and all other matches. We have hl-line and
> highlight-current-line. We have an option in whitespace-mode and a
> highlight-beyond-fill-column mode to highlight things that exceed a
> preconfigured line length.
>
> We have ediff highlighting deleted text, inserted text, merged text,
> word-refined deleted/inserted/merged text, active difference, even and
> odd other differences. We have MuMaMo-like modes highlighting runs of
> code in a different programming or markup language.
>
> In all of these cases, I as a user would like (1) syntax highlighting
> (font-lock) to be retained and visible through the highlight; (2) all
> resulting color combinations to be of suitable contrast and proper
> brightness relationship; (3) all that without a combinatorial
> explosion of having to define a separate pair of colors for each
> combination of a font-lock face with a highlight face.
>
>
> Importantly, the word “suitable” in the above sentence does not always
> mean “suitably high”. I use global-whitespace-mode to visualize
> spaces, line breaks and tabs. For these, I configure a low-contrast
> foreground. I want them to stay low-contrast *and* still visible, no
> matter which highlight is overlaid.
>
> As an example: My default background is aluminium6 (#f7f8f5, hereafter
> all colors are from the extended Tango palette[1]). My region color is
> skyblue5 (#97c4f0). I use hl-line with background of aluminium5
> (#ecf0eb). I have to choose a foreground color for the whitespace
> marks so that it is sufficiently low contrast on all these backgrounds
> as not to distract from the main text; and that it is visible on and
> darker than each of these backgrounds.
>
> For display on the default background, aluminium4 (#d3d7cf) would be
> about right. But if I choose that, whitespace markers become lighter
> than the region background, which is visually unpleasant. So I’m
> forced to take the darker shade, aluminium3 (#babdb6), even though it
> is now a bit too visible on the default background.
>
> [1]: http://emilis.info/other/extended_tango/
>
>
> Thinking about it, I feel I might appreciate a system that would not
> use fixed absolute foreground colors but blends instead. E.g. in my
> light background setting, region would multiply both the background
> and the foreground by #9ccafa. This would turn the default
> black-on-aluminium6 into black-on-skyblue5 while turning the
> whitespace marks from aluminium4 into just a bit lighter than
> skyblue4. Similarly, hl-line would multiply the colors by #f4f7f5.
>
> (The multiplicative model is only good for light backgrounds. Dark
> backgrounds would need some other combination formula, possibly
> something similar to (1-(1-x)*(1-y)). Alpha blending might seem more
> general, but yields lower overall contrast. I also don’t have a
> solution for fixed-palette 8-, 16-, 88- and 256-color displays.)
>
As you note, the lack of contrast is a general problem for all cases
when more than one face can be applied. But no user has been
sufficiently annoyed to file a bug report except for the selection
case, so it has been an ignored/unknown problem. In hindsight, I kind
of regret trying to fix this and thus put focus on the issue.
I should have done as has been done in the past, just ignore the whole
issue.
Jan D.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-01-15 7:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 134+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-01-07 12:55 About the :distant-foreground face attribute Chong Yidong
2014-01-07 15:00 ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-07 17:28 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-07 18:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-07 18:09 ` Joel Mccracken
[not found] ` <<8361pvsmbk.fsf@gnu.org>
2014-01-07 18:44 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-07 19:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
[not found] ` <<83zjn7r4z3.fsf@gnu.org>
2014-01-07 19:06 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-07 19:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-07 21:57 ` Chong Yidong
2014-01-08 3:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-08 5:24 ` Chong Yidong
2014-01-08 9:35 ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-08 9:52 ` Chong Yidong
2014-01-08 10:10 ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-08 14:49 ` Chong Yidong
2014-01-08 16:37 ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-08 17:08 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-08 16:57 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-08 14:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-08 17:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-09 16:15 ` Chong Yidong
2014-01-09 17:02 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-09 17:07 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-09 17:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-09 18:21 ` Chong Yidong
2014-01-09 22:25 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-09 22:48 ` David Engster
2014-01-12 11:14 ` David Engster
2014-01-12 11:40 ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-12 12:21 ` David Engster
2014-01-12 12:56 ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-12 13:07 ` David Engster
2014-01-12 13:17 ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-12 20:14 ` Chong Yidong
2014-01-12 21:20 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-12 22:07 ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-13 0:57 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-12 22:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-13 4:14 ` chad
2014-01-09 17:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-09 17:22 ` David Engster
2014-01-09 17:27 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-01-09 17:50 ` Jan D.
2014-01-09 20:58 ` Darren Hoo
2014-01-09 21:17 ` David Engster
2014-01-09 22:29 ` Darren Hoo
2014-01-09 22:25 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-09 22:24 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-09 17:39 ` Josh
2014-01-09 17:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-09 17:49 ` Jan D.
2014-01-13 13:13 ` [PATCH] " Daniel Colascione
2014-01-13 16:27 ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-13 16:33 ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-13 18:41 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-13 21:29 ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-13 21:36 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-13 23:01 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-13 23:11 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-14 1:32 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-14 1:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-14 19:32 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-14 2:34 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-14 19:32 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-14 22:38 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-15 0:31 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-15 0:54 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-15 3:07 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-15 3:52 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-15 4:59 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-15 5:12 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-15 5:39 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-15 14:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-15 4:50 ` Yuri Khan
2014-01-15 7:50 ` Jan D. [this message]
2014-01-15 7:52 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-15 8:17 ` Jan D.
2014-01-15 17:23 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-13 23:57 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-14 0:07 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-14 1:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-14 2:41 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-14 8:47 ` Chong Yidong
2014-01-14 9:42 ` Jan D.
2014-01-14 19:32 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-14 7:47 ` Jan D.
2014-01-14 8:18 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-14 9:34 ` Jan D.
2014-01-14 10:44 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-14 11:44 ` Jan D.
2014-01-14 17:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-14 18:06 ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-14 18:31 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-14 18:51 ` John Yates
2014-01-14 22:19 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-14 18:47 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-14 20:01 ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-14 20:06 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-14 22:05 ` [PATCH] " Jan Djärv
2014-01-14 22:14 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-15 6:33 ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-15 8:05 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-15 9:25 ` Jan D.
2014-01-15 14:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-14 20:39 ` [PATCH] " Daniel Colascione
2014-01-14 21:58 ` [PATCH] " Jan Djärv
2014-01-14 22:06 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-15 3:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-15 4:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-15 4:25 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-15 6:39 ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-15 15:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-15 14:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-15 15:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-15 16:17 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-15 16:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-15 17:33 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-15 17:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-15 18:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-15 19:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-15 20:05 ` Josh
2014-01-15 20:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-15 21:03 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-15 21:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-01-15 21:15 ` Daniel Colascione
2014-01-15 21:31 ` John Yates
2014-01-15 22:11 ` Drew Adams
2014-01-15 23:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-01-07 22:50 ` Jan Djärv
2014-01-08 3:13 ` Darren Hoo
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2014-01-15 3:56 ` [PATCH] " Drew Adams
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