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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165798 Archived-At: Am 26.11.2013 22:45, schrieb Achim Gratz: > Andreas Röhler writes: >> If you take a look into the org-directory, you'll see several files, >> whose name indicate the purpose beside from org-mode in its strict >> sense. > > Before you send others to read those, why not have a look yourself? > Why such a tune? All I'm saying is, a lot of useful things exist in org-mode, which might be of use outside too. There is an org-timer.el and a timer.el, and org-table.el and a table.el etc. >> Probably it would be great to have the exporter(s?) --which may output >> into HTML, PDF or ODF-- available in all text-modes. > > You might want to take notice that the exporters do exactly nothing > without org-element and org-element defines Org syntax and nothing else. > Which also means: some parts of org-mode could be re-considered WRT to modularity. Indeed org-mode didn't invent exporting, so it's useful probably to look into muse or whatever too. >> From my perspective porting org-footnote.el would pay. > > This too depends on the rest of Org to figure out what it is looking at > and where to place the actual content (and then find it again). > >> Well, the code providing literal programming is quite an item by >> themselves, no trivial thing. Just being surprised it should not work >> outside org-mode too ;) > > Again, it relies heavily on the infrastructure provided by Org. > If there is an infrastructure useful for org-mode, part of these infrastructure will turn out useful for all Emacs. There is a bad and a good thing. The god thing is, these things exist. The bad: people a compelled into a separate ecosystem, with its own issues and quirks, a separate bug-reporting etc. > There are bits and pieces in Org that would likely benefit from > generalization that might re-factor them out of Org (or not, since > nobody tried yet). It might be done step by step, starting with useful subroutines like org-trim. Make a common trim in subr.el from it etc. That would reduce parallel programming, reduce the volume of the sources etc. But such refactoring would be a lot of work and > you won't be able to contribute, so… The FSF recieved my disclaimer. Maybe it's sufficient to port the trim function? ;)