From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs will never be a WYSIWYG-editor and should not try to Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 19:28:21 +0100 Message-ID: <5294E845.5070709@online.de> References: <2013-11-22T16-27-58@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <83k3g0cnby.fsf@gnu.org> <2013-11-24T11-44-42@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <83zjotbv29.fsf@gnu.org> <87iovf640c.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <5294659B.9050502@online.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385490345 32516 80.91.229.3 (26 Nov 2013 18:25:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 18:25:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: bzg@altern.org, Carsten Dominik , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 26 19:25:50 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VlNKX-0002gZ-Rt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 19:25:49 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60437 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlNKX-0003Uw-9F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:25:49 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47710) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlNKN-0003Ub-KO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:25:46 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlNKG-0006Pw-8m for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:25:39 -0500 Original-Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.187]:64974) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlNK7-0006ON-Mo; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 13:25:23 -0500 Original-Received: from purzel.sitgens (brln-4d0c1c17.pool.mediaWays.net [77.12.28.23]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LtjF3-1VbVLw23zZ-010kWv; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 19:25:22 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:f7dmrmThrmEaO9E66SiwQ5MSuIYaiGjZJubz8AXFu0q DKsPTEOGnrI95YblRk54J9SOop4eBReH2oM/nGe1lu99x4tNKK IejEWqcYEc5o6mShbEUN3IQfsvvinaJyyjx132BdRvMRkV+L9a s875KXBvH1az2S09rWCneI2DsjVj+oMiEt7ieRPs/HXXKasyeG GmiLEgOat56vT8wBl5GVYa417zjrTAFftsCROUyZlj9gDIBdOd W01FpsaXXKMv6AvTw3FLEtRXFbfUN4VoyLrnEdpUEimMBrLUJg BLvZ88jF4lyyrKgJvEu3tltBF0q+6dYB4mGwJgBtJeSi90q/Kt D2DraTQ92LuSDrTAM6eQ= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.126.187 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165770 Archived-At: Am 26.11.2013 16:58, schrieb Richard Stallman: > [ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider > [ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, > [ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. > > - basic fixes and enhancements of common Emacs features, tables, footnotes etc. > > Would wish the both last items seeing back-ported into major Emacs without need of org-mode. > > In principle, I agree. But there seems to be a disagreement about > whether these are fixes or enhancements of common Emacs features. > Bastien said, > > For the second item, you can't have it without Org. > > Andreas, could you list a few of these points, so we can see > whether they make sense outside Org mode? > I'll cc that to Carsten, who will know best where to start. If you take a look into the org-directory, you'll see several files, whose name indicate the purpose beside from org-mode in its strict sense. Probably it would be great to have the exporter(s?) --which may output into HTML, PDF or ODF-- available in all text-modes. IIRC also import from ODF is written already, so it's not far away from playing libre-office :) From my perspective porting org-footnote.el would pay. The footnote.el in mail-directory isn't able to store resp. to read in existing footnotes. All textmodes could offer footnotes. Well, the code providing literal programming is quite an item by themselves, no trivial thing. Just being surprised it should not work outside org-mode too ;)