From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs will never be a WYSIWYG-editor and should not try to Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:34:36 +0100 Message-ID: <52946B2C.7020108@online.de> References: <2013-11-22T16-27-58@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <83k3g0cnby.fsf@gnu.org> <2013-11-24T11-44-42@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <83zjotbv29.fsf@gnu.org> <87iovf640c.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <5294659B.9050502@online.de> <871u234j7u.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385458307 24589 80.91.229.3 (26 Nov 2013 09:31:47 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:31:47 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Bastien Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 26 10:31:51 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VlEzm-0005NP-PR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:31:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57438 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlEzm-0000Gd-89 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 04:31:50 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:48868) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlEzd-0000GX-Hc for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 04:31:47 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlEzX-0002oh-Bt for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 04:31:41 -0500 Original-Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.187]:53934) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlEzX-0002oc-2Y; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 04:31:35 -0500 Original-Received: from purzel.sitgens (brln-4d0c1c17.pool.mediaWays.net [77.12.28.23]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MQb5V-1WCuJU2MCz-00Ttn7; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:31:34 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 In-Reply-To: <871u234j7u.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:sqb27EEUKEpwr5vEL5YBO/0tNqW+jYJYTNfWTMCbNgk wkt9lR2Bpe5I2WgKzAq1aQB3zg+YAd1hdStlO5YouE+Ra67zIt oDZ+2bzRwsDwSuj6gzL06BZmZUoUa3meIJQ5goMv0mwcHY2CZT 253lSbsA6BEzCHYrlHTt2DwROuboorC/5KT8RzMHNHdSmgGjWy u/u+CCYqKWSf2m+66N1alI4srm95ZcTxz/S6Wf4hg7Z22zvXrS 8EnqBfeKRVRrY2V/AYaVx8ydMhLi1VnWPnSeVfT23BXwy4xxVi j66uapK18mll/RXtL1uaUbuU7HZWBy+m06N57e7HZzodX+6Nxh /OzgzG1Vnm0L2OZYox28= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.126.187 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165753 Archived-At: Am 26.11.2013 10:15, schrieb Bastien: > Hi Andreas, > > Andreas Röhler writes: > >> AFAIS org-mode is composed of at least three major areas: >> >> - the org-mode strictly spoken, with it's date-time and planning stuff. >> - literal programming with it's exporters, which is probably of most interest here >> - basic fixes and enhancements of common Emacs features, tables, footnotes etc. >> >> Would wish the both last items seeing back-ported into major Emacs >> without need of org-mode. > > For the second item, you can't have it without Org. Why not? We are speaking about org-babel, which is a great idea but not related to the ToDo, time- and date stuff, were org-mode started and what its name indicates. > > For the third one, there is already > > M-x orgtbl-mode RET > M-x orgstruct-mode RET > Well, so my suggestion is to transform it into just table-mode, struct-mode etc. > Do you have a concrete suggestion for another minor-mode > that could spin off from Org? > footnote? There will be a lot more with some probability...