From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs will never be a WYSIWYG-editor and should not try to Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:10:51 +0100 Message-ID: <5294659B.9050502@online.de> References: <2013-11-22T16-27-58@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <83k3g0cnby.fsf@gnu.org> <2013-11-24T11-44-42@devnull.Karl-Voit.at> <83zjotbv29.fsf@gnu.org> <87iovf640c.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385456893 8137 80.91.229.3 (26 Nov 2013 09:08:13 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:08:13 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Bastien To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 26 10:08:18 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VlEcz-0001g9-BP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:08:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57329 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlEcy-0003wQ-QD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 04:08:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43883) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlEcf-0003dS-2Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 04:08:02 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlEcZ-0003aq-5P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 04:07:57 -0500 Original-Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.186]:59253) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VlEcY-0003ah-Qv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 04:07:51 -0500 Original-Received: from purzel.sitgens (brln-4d0c1c17.pool.mediaWays.net [77.12.28.23]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKxUa-1VlEcW2CWW-0001vz; Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:07:49 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 In-Reply-To: <87iovf640c.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:P999iIhdw2LrrF9s4INvsG5PBQRwmWCIQW0L/nZd29t dKMdwpAEJpJafADW6aReIfQP//P8PGOfVRBXy8KS4W1AqRkFvz VSaLEjTdNdNxCSQKR/eUlx4WSEgna/HpwTSj8rtlSK7ddOAnne zuft3iCayvYTvP7NgTWHIfwbVzMzrInzjwAUEGkJnlsOoXWHy7 pJuU5lrRAJB75GkgODJIn2+g8/m+KbbuSGnlry2iF9XHkhciC2 lngXkZdpF0qo0bYAhiBD7sgRk8EVz7ftrSqPPV//Bla+8YGIS2 2S0Xtw1SoLwYU+kbuxH4CwmbiXNhmz2OA16o2kYMASzyU9N6X5 cRYF5+WpFstP28atvzXo= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.126.186 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165749 Archived-At: Am 26.11.2013 08:01, schrieb Bastien: > Richard Stallman writes: > >> I hope that my suggestion will get people interested in doing this. > > I hope that my suggestion to test Org will somehow not be burried > with this huge thread :) > > Looking forward to reading your feedback, independently of the > WYSIWYG discussion ! > Hi Bastien, there is a thing WRT Emacs and org-mode seeing not mentioned so far: org-mode developed a lot of useful things, thanks all for that. However, seen from main stuff, it's somehow written around the corner, parallel or not fitting into the other. The use of hard-coded stars for example is hardly the state of art in a general-purpose editor. AFAIS org-mode is composed of at least three major areas: - the org-mode strictly spoken, with it's date-time and planning stuff. - literal programming with it's exporters, which is probably of most interest here - basic fixes and enhancements of common Emacs features, tables, footnotes etc. Would wish the both last items seeing back-ported into major Emacs without need of org-mode. Cheers, Andreas