From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs as word processor Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 09:00:12 +0100 Message-ID: <528DBD8C.2040806@online.de> References: <5288A59E.7030109@dancol.org> <87vbzqfgd6.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87mwl04w3k.fsf@zigzag.favinet> <83zjoyewgn.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1385020647 2768 80.91.229.3 (21 Nov 2013 07:57:27 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 07:57:27 +0000 (UTC) To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 21 08:57:32 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VjP8m-0006ix-0G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 08:57:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:59355 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VjP8l-0004ro-Ke for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 02:57:31 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50179) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VjP8d-0004k4-KC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 02:57:29 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VjP8Y-0006Ho-Ah for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 02:57:23 -0500 Original-Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.186]:51357) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VjP8X-0006Hc-W1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 02:57:18 -0500 Original-Received: from purzel.sitgens (brln-4dba0715.pool.mediaWays.net [77.186.7.21]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LlrKG-1VA4Jn23ZA-00ZjGW; Thu, 21 Nov 2013 08:57:16 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.1.0 In-Reply-To: <83zjoyewgn.fsf@gnu.org> X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:+TRCZILmioowUIrcXuyod7jN08KQzoY+WSavgYfyB8M 9WvGoKYTtur5bmgK84G+NnePC6g2duueHdRa04wDjrzfNs6nKL LByb1gu1i2+fatO6ifLipmExuK3NsGBhSo8muNKtICd/N2JNyW AfFjKSSCyIYgarDuLY56TjSCAz4dZ2EzlgnrN+VFrtPJRtJ9OV 5CNyYB54FWIQE0e2eV3yEzLU2rtoBRq2H6U8jV071auTe8/ouG 2X6ws+S9tG+6AGUK4Yk0yIApbqolwTDrMVvG1oh8TgUbytZz2u gkEZK2VTRKXnzaoKvrOjbz4zmkl446ONiLAAV4LNS4az/AutFV MnLA5VaRCw8UH2jORecc= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.126.186 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:165469 Archived-At: Am 20.11.2013 19:53, schrieb Eli Zaretskii: >> Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 13:35:54 -0500 >> From: Richard Stallman >> Cc: asr@ufl.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org >> >> - awareness of current-column as a float >> I started working on this in 2002, but got distracted. >> The (small, exploratory) changes were reverted 2011-03-06. >> >> - correspondance between buffer pos and pixel (x,y) coords on screen >> >> - floating (text "flows" around) images, tables, and other "objects" >> >> - automatic pagination >> >> - page-based stats (word-count, etc), margins, "styles" >> >> These seem like important features, I agree. > > This one is already supported: > >> - correspondance between buffer pos and pixel (x,y) coords on screen > > (Unless I misunderstand what is meant by that.) > > However, I don't understand why these features are put forward before > much more basic ones. As I understand Richard's request, he would > like to do everything we can do in Texinfo, but with WYSIWYG display, > have a capability to export that in several formats, and be able to > print it from Emacs. Why not start with these modest features? > > It's far from being modest. Seems Richard reached the point of users-interest, where the most popular editor started in 1981. Please note: saying "most popular", not best. However, there was always a point noticing that, brought here forward in vain several times. Also don't think Emacs may change it's path that easily: it would mean to turn from producer domination into a kind of consumer market. AFAIS there is no infrastructure for this.