From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Jarek Czekalski Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Info: Console Vs GUI difference? Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2013 09:06:44 +0100 Message-ID: <5274B294.8080209@poczta.onet.pl> References: <83eh70as37.fsf@gnu.org> <837gcrc10q.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1383375931 3285 80.91.229.3 (2 Nov 2013 07:05:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 07:05:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "tv.raman.tv@gmail.com >> \"T. V. Raman\"" To: emacs-devel@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 02 08:05:35 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VcVH2-0000Us-65 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 08:05:32 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40893 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VcVH1-0001cg-Oe for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 03:05:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35535) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VcVGr-0001Ut-Kv for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 03:05:27 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VcVGk-0000NT-Re for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 03:05:21 -0400 Original-Received: from smtpo11.poczta.onet.pl ([213.180.142.142]:41319) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VcVGk-0000NE-Gd for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 02 Nov 2013 03:05:14 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.17.5] (cj.e-siemianowice.pl [95.215.234.30]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: jarekczek@poczta.onet.pl) by smtp.poczta.onet.pl (Onet) with ESMTPSA id 3dBWVv6xgVz9v8Cb; Sat, 2 Nov 2013 08:05:11 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=poczta.onet.pl; s=2011; t=1383375912; bh=gBSQn5QwvZP6BACJOVBuQYLjzH+0Yndr0APg38Uf6W8=; h=Message-ID:Date:From:MIME-Version:To:CC:Subject:References: In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=jHpUZU/XvyPwsHCi5DEyf6o5JbMJO72vH2s+lzLYW/7/slwHQw+hcZWt0kAms3uHc We9vScCda9jzgbsdDO0MaAQ5vtOCduvl6XYQoiKQozShBsZ48pAE050W4tMboeyxzq PVAuQxcYMaZvEhtD1vNPT/nO08oCHuQy6GoTnVS4= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130801 Thunderbird/17.0.8 In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 213.180.142.142 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:164850 Archived-At: W dniu 11/02/2013 02:39 AM, T.V. Raman pisze: > Disabling the tool-bar in emacspeak likely affects low-vision > users, so this would be good to fix. Raman, Emacspeak package was the reason I switched to Emacs. I use both visual Emacs functions and Emacspeak auditory feedback. Every loss in Emacs functionality is a big disadvantage for me. Please explain in what way you expect to fix this, so that we have Emacspeak without loosing any functionality of Emacs. And please also explain what problems an Emacspeak user experiences without switching off the toolbar. My vision is that Emacspeak be the best option for disabled programmers among all text editors. This Emacspeak should not be worse than Emacs. Jarek