From: David De La Harpe Golden <david@harpegolden.net>
To: Juergen Sauermann <juergen.sauermann@t-online.de>
Cc: Rustom Mody <rustompmody@gmail.com>, emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: APL mode
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2013 16:40:56 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <526BE288.90601@harpegolden.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <526B9B04.3080404@t-online.de>
On 26/10/13 11:35, Juergen Sauermann wrote:
> Hi Rustom,
>
> With xmodmap you can make Alt and Alt-Gr different modifiers
Okay, seems like there may be wheels being reinvented in them thar hills:
xmodmap is _old_, xkb [1] exists. Though xkb is perhaps confusing and
baroque, it's now clearly important to note that current xkb packages
ubiquitous on gnu+linux systems _already include_ several variations of
apl symbols [2], and you can use them [3].
They already look vaguely suitable for use with GNU APL, though there
might be some different choices made, I didn't exhaustively verify.
I'm afraid I personally tend to just "muddle through" xkb stuff right
now, I'm not the right person to ask for in-depth support and advice
with xkb. Perhaps you could contact the relevant xkb apl layout
devs/maintainers named in [2] itself to discuss meeting your GNU APL
keyboard needs. If, of course, they're not already met - and maybe it's
early enough that GNU APL might also make changes if it indeed picked
some different symbols to other unicode apls, there are a lot of
lookalike unicode symbols...
> I also believe that it is important to have the same method inside and
> outside emacs.
I think it's not such a problem if some intra-emacs quail input method
works a bit differently, such input methods are more for people who
either don't want to have a desktop-wide apl layout as above enabled
and/or use emacs on a text terminal or with a peculiar input device or
something.
IMO an emacs apl mode for editing apl sources (and presumably a related
inferior-apl for interactive apl interpreters under emacs) shouldn't
need to get into handling actual apl symbol input, that's more of a job
for xkb as above outside/over emacs, with quail input method(s) inside
emacs being nice to have.
[1] http://www.x.org/wiki/XKB/
[2] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xkeyboard-config/tree/symbols/apl
Already present on my Debian 7.x system:
$ dpkg -S /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/apl
xkb-data: /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/apl
[3]
http://aplinquisition.blogspot.com/2013/07/configuring-apl-keyboard-with-i3-window.html
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2013-10-26 15:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-10-12 4:48 APL mode Rustom Mody
2013-10-12 7:25 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-10-12 14:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-12 16:09 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-12 19:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-13 6:45 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-13 6:59 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-13 11:10 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-13 14:04 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-13 15:35 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-13 16:11 ` Ivan Andrus
2013-10-13 12:42 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2013-10-13 14:47 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-13 15:24 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2013-10-14 5:00 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-14 6:45 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-14 13:34 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-14 8:21 ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-10-14 11:08 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-17 18:54 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2013-10-17 19:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-20 13:57 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-21 10:46 ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-10-21 13:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-25 19:09 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-26 1:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-26 4:38 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-26 10:35 ` Juergen Sauermann
2013-10-26 11:42 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-26 15:40 ` David De La Harpe Golden [this message]
2013-10-26 16:48 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-26 17:41 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-26 17:48 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2013-10-27 5:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-27 22:41 ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-10-28 4:09 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-10-28 12:21 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-28 12:40 ` Juergen Sauermann
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2013-10-28 17:42 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-28 19:45 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2013-10-18 7:06 ` Rustom Mody
2013-10-14 10:40 ` Rüdiger Sonderfeld
2013-10-14 17:03 ` David De La Harpe Golden
2013-10-14 19:48 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-10-15 3:15 ` Rustom Mody
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2013-10-12 5:01 Rustom Mody
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