From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Daniel Colascione Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: electric-indent-mode: abolition of `newline' function is not the Right Thing. Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 14:07:58 -0700 Message-ID: <525F002E.3040103@dancol.org> References: <20131013101325.GA2621@acm.acm> <20131013140931.GC2621@acm.acm> <20131013172841.GA2498@acm.acm> <525D8946.4070406@gmx.at> <20131016171240.GA3125@acm.acm> <20131016185809.GC3125@acm.acm> <7775F33E-919E-4AFC-98C5-5F71F411E583@mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1381957703 21290 80.91.229.3 (16 Oct 2013 21:08:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2013 21:08:23 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org devel" To: chad , Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 16 23:08:26 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VWYKQ-0001kD-1W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 23:08:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49361 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VWYKP-0004Ep-GN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:08:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51337) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VWYKI-0004EZ-86 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:08:23 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VWYKD-0003CJ-3I for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:08:18 -0400 Original-Received: from dancol.org ([2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:adf3]:39354) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VWYKC-0003C1-TR for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 17:08:13 -0400 Original-Received: from mpk-nat-7.thefacebook.com ([173.252.71.7] helo=dcolascione-mbp.local) by dancol.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_CAMELLIA_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1VWYK3-0007K9-S2; Wed, 16 Oct 2013 14:08:03 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.8; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.0.1 In-Reply-To: <7775F33E-919E-4AFC-98C5-5F71F411E583@mit.edu> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:adf3 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:164255 Archived-At: On 10/16/13 1:55 PM, chad wrote: > On 16 Oct 2013, at 11:58, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >> >> For another thing, it will stop lots of Emacs Lisp from working. > > What specific packages/libraries/etc break with the current > electric-indent-mode enabled? > FWIW, I've seen a lot of crufty site-specific elisp that barely works as it is. (Monkeypatching cc-mode seems perennially popular.) Can we please try not to break it further? I don't see why we have to change newline's behavior in order to make newline-and-indent behavior the default, which I agree we should do.