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X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:78880 Archived-At: Am 03.10.2013 06:10, schrieb Stefan Monnier: >>> That's because *you* like electric-indent-mode. Not because C is special. >> Electric indentation is more useful in a language like C than it is in >> something like Python --- C has a richer set of brace characters. > > Right: Python is indeed special because fully automatic indentation is > not really possible. But C is not special in this respect. > >> cc-mode's sophisticated syntactic indentation is an Emacs "killer feature". > > The "sophisticated syntactic indentation" is also a killer feature for > Octave users, SML users, Lisp users, Javascript users, ... > >> Anyway, we should be showcasing it by default, using electric >> indentation, instead of hiding it behind configuration because users >> might want to lobotomize their indentation by rebinding . > > That's arguing for changing the global default of electric-indent-mode. > > Whereas this bug report is about changing cc-mode to follow the > global preference, whichever way it's set. > > > Stefan > > > > Experience from python-mode says: better keep electric-stuff and common indent apart. Being aware new users might be attracted by these shiny and useful features, for Emacs beginners a lot of surprises may result. IMHO that's part of the "steep learning curve", Emacs is often blamed of - too much electric stuff for beginners. Rather tell at README and Info what to activate once it works.