* insert umlaut
@ 2010-06-07 8:30 Stefan Vollmar
2010-06-07 13:34 ` Stefan Vollmar
2010-06-09 3:43 ` Kevin Rodgers
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From: Stefan Vollmar @ 2010-06-07 8:30 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Emacs mailing list
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Hi,
I am using an elisp insert statement to put text into a newly generated buffer, this text contains a German Umlaut. The text is displayed correctly in my .emacs-file, I also have a (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8) statement.
With Emacs 23.2 (Windows) the Umlaut is not displayed correctly (in the newly generated buffer), with Aquamacs 2.0 it works just fine. With both Emacsen, the .emacs-file yields "utf-8-unix" in the modeline and "utf-8" for the newly created buffer.
Is this a bug or is it a coincidence that this works in Aquamacs?
Many thanks in advance.
Warm regards,
Stefan
--
Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys.
Head of IT group
Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung
Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany
Tel.: +49-221-4726-213 FAX +49-221-4726-298
Tel.: +49-221-478-5713 Mobile: 0160-93874279
Email: vollmar@nf.mpg.de http://www.nf.mpg.de
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* Re: insert umlaut
2010-06-07 8:30 insert umlaut Stefan Vollmar
@ 2010-06-07 13:34 ` Stefan Vollmar
2010-06-09 3:43 ` Kevin Rodgers
1 sibling, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Vollmar @ 2010-06-07 13:34 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Emacs mailing list
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Hi,
if I use
(insert (string-make-multibyte "Umlaut: ü"))
it now works with Emacs 23.2 (Windows). However, the question remains why "string-make-multibyte" is apparently not required when using Aquamacs 2.0 (Emacs 23.2) and with Emacs 23.1 (Ubuntu). The Windows version assumes a different encoding for the insert text?
Warm regards,
Stefan
On 07.06.2010, at 10:30, Stefan Vollmar wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am using an elisp insert statement to put text into a newly generated buffer, this text contains a German Umlaut. The text is displayed correctly in my .emacs-file, I also have a (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8) statement.
>
> With Emacs 23.2 (Windows) the Umlaut is not displayed correctly (in the newly generated buffer), with Aquamacs 2.0 it works just fine. With both Emacsen, the .emacs-file yields "utf-8-unix" in the modeline and "utf-8" for the newly created buffer.
>
> Is this a bug or is it a coincidence that this works in Aquamacs?
>
> Many thanks in advance.
> Warm regards,
> Stefan
--
Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys.
Head of IT group
Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung
Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany
Tel.: +49-221-4726-213 FAX +49-221-4726-298
Tel.: +49-221-478-5713 Mobile: 0160-93874279
Email: vollmar@nf.mpg.de http://www.nf.mpg.de
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* Re: insert umlaut
2010-06-07 8:30 insert umlaut Stefan Vollmar
2010-06-07 13:34 ` Stefan Vollmar
@ 2010-06-09 3:43 ` Kevin Rodgers
2010-06-09 6:01 ` Stefan Vollmar
1 sibling, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Kevin Rodgers @ 2010-06-09 3:43 UTC (permalink / raw
To: help-gnu-emacs
Stefan Vollmar wrote:
> I am using an elisp insert statement to put text into a newly
> generated buffer, this text contains a German Umlaut. The text is
> displayed correctly in my .emacs-file, I also have a
> (prefer-coding-system 'utf-8) statement.
Please show us the insert statement.
When visiting ~/.emacs, what does `C-h C RET' display?
When point is before the umlaut character in the insert statement,
what does `C-u C-x =' display?
> With Emacs 23.2 (Windows) the Umlaut is not displayed correctly (in
> the newly generated buffer), with Aquamacs 2.0 it works just
> fine. With both Emacsen, the .emacs-file yields "utf-8-unix" in the
> modeline and "utf-8" for the newly created buffer.
>
> Is this a bug or is it a coincidence that this works in Aquamacs?
There are a lot of variables to account for between the 2 platforms and
the 2 Emacs versions.
--
Kevin Rodgers
Denver, Colorado, USA
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* Re: insert umlaut
2010-06-09 3:43 ` Kevin Rodgers
@ 2010-06-09 6:01 ` Stefan Vollmar
2010-06-12 6:10 ` Kevin Rodgers
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Vollmar @ 2010-06-09 6:01 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Kevin Rodgers; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs
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Dear Kevin,
On 09.06.2010, at 05:43, Kevin Rodgers wrote:
> Please show us the insert statement.
(insert "Umlaut: ü")
> When visiting ~/.emacs, what does `C-h C RET' display?
* Emacs 23.2.1 Windows Server Enterprise 2007 (German)
Coding system for saving this buffer:
- -- undecided-dos (alias: dos)
[...]
Coding system for terminal output:
nil
Coding system for inter-client cut and paste:
U -- utf-16le-dos
Defaults for subprocess I/O:
decoding: U -- utf-8-dos (alias: mule-utf-8-dos)
[...]
Process I/O "[pP][lL][iI][nN][kK]" (undecided-dos . undecided-dos)
"[cC][mM][dD][pP][rR][oO][xX][yY]"
(undecided-dos . undecided-dos)
* Aquamacs 2.0 Mac (English)
Coding system for saving this buffer:
- -- undecided-unix (alias: unix)
[...]
Coding system for terminal output:
U -- utf-8-unix (alias: mule-utf-8-unix)
Coding system for inter-client cut and paste:
nil
Defaults for subprocess I/O:
decoding: U -- utf-8-unix (alias: mule-utf-8-unix)
[...]
Process I/O nothing specified
> When point is before the umlaut character in the insert statement,
> what does `C-u C-x =' display?
* Emacs 23.2.1 Windows Server Enterprise 2007 (German)
character: ü (252, #o374, #xfc)
preferred charset: iso-8859-1 (Latin-1 (ISO/IEC 8859-1))
code point: 0xFC
syntax: w which means: word
category: .:Base, c:Chinese, j:Japanese, l:Latin
buffer code: #xC3 #xBC
file code: #xC3 #xBC (encoded by coding system utf-8-unix)
display: by this font (glyph code)
uniscribe:-outline-Courier New-normal-normal-normal-mono-13-*-*-*-c-*-iso8859-1 (#x81)
Character code properties: customize what to show
name: LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH DIAERESIS
old-name: LATIN SMALL LETTER U DIAERESIS
general-category: Ll (Letter, Lowercase)
decomposition: (117 776) ('u' '̈')
There are text properties here:
face font-lock-string-face
fontified t
The Aquamacs output is identical, except for the line that says "uniscribe" on Windows, it says:
nil:-apple-Monaco-medium-normal-normal-*-12-*-*-*-m-0-iso10646-1 (#x81)
> > With Emacs 23.2 (Windows) the Umlaut is not displayed correctly (in
> > the newly generated buffer), with Aquamacs 2.0 it works just
> > fine. With both Emacsen, the .emacs-file yields "utf-8-unix" in the
> > modeline and "utf-8" for the newly created buffer.
> >
> > Is this a bug or is it a coincidence that this works in Aquamacs?
>
> There are a lot of variables to account for between the 2 platforms and
> the 2 Emacs versions.
And so it seems. The problem can probably be explained by the above the differences in the default coding systems, interesting.
Warm regards,
Stefan
--
Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys.
Head of IT group
Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung
Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany
Tel.: +49-221-4726-213 FAX +49-221-4726-298
Tel.: +49-221-478-5713 Mobile: 0160-93874279
Email: vollmar@nf.mpg.de http://www.nf.mpg.de
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* Re: insert umlaut
2010-06-09 6:01 ` Stefan Vollmar
@ 2010-06-12 6:10 ` Kevin Rodgers
2010-06-12 9:55 ` Stefan Vollmar
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Kevin Rodgers @ 2010-06-12 6:10 UTC (permalink / raw
To: help-gnu-emacs
Stefan Vollmar wrote:
> Dear Kevin,
>
> On 09.06.2010, at 05:43, Kevin Rodgers wrote:
>
>> Please show us the insert statement.
>
> (insert "Umlaut: ü")
What happens if you use a coding-system independent representation
in your ~/.emacs:
(insert "Umlaut: \u00FC")
--
Kevin Rodgers
Denver, Colorado, USA
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* Re: insert umlaut
2010-06-12 6:10 ` Kevin Rodgers
@ 2010-06-12 9:55 ` Stefan Vollmar
2010-06-13 4:50 ` tomas
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Vollmar @ 2010-06-12 9:55 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Kevin Rodgers; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs
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Dear Kevin,
On 12.06.2010, at 08:10, Kevin Rodgers wrote:
> Stefan Vollmar wrote:
>> Dear Kevin,
>> On 09.06.2010, at 05:43, Kevin Rodgers wrote:
>>> Please show us the insert statement.
>> (insert "Umlaut: ü")
>
> What happens if you use a coding-system independent representation
> in your ~/.emacs:
>
> (insert "Umlaut: \u00FC")
It works with the \u00FC representation, so this is another solution in addition to using (string-make-multibyte "ü"), probably very similar in effect.
However, here is an interesting observation: that insert statement is used in a site-lisp/site-start.el file. It produces the mentioned problem when Emacs is started. If, in contrast, Emacs is running and I do a load-file of site-start.el then,
(insert "Umlaut: ü")
will work exactly as observed on recent versions of Emacs on MacOS and Linux.
Warm regards,
Stefan
--
Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys.
Head of IT group
Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung
Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany
Tel.: +49-221-4726-213 FAX +49-221-4726-298
Tel.: +49-221-478-5713 Mobile: 0160-93874279
Email: vollmar@nf.mpg.de http://www.nf.mpg.de
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* Re: insert umlaut
2010-06-12 9:55 ` Stefan Vollmar
@ 2010-06-13 4:50 ` tomas
2010-06-13 21:15 ` Stefan Vollmar
0 siblings, 1 reply; 8+ messages in thread
From: tomas @ 2010-06-13 4:50 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Stefan Vollmar; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs, Kevin Rodgers
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On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:55:49AM +0200, Stefan Vollmar wrote:
> Dear Kevin,
>
> On 12.06.2010, at 08:10, Kevin Rodgers wrote:
>
> > Stefan Vollmar wrote:
> >> Dear Kevin,
> >> On 09.06.2010, at 05:43, Kevin Rodgers wrote:
> >>> Please show us the insert statement.
> >> (insert "Umlaut: ü")
> >
> > What happens if you use a coding-system independent representation
> > in your ~/.emacs:
> >
> > (insert "Umlaut: \u00FC")
>
>
> It works with the \u00FC representation, so this is another solution in addition to using (string-make-multibyte "ü"), probably very similar in effect.
What is the coding system of the elisp file itself (i.e. where the source of this
statement lives)?
Regards
- -- tomás
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* Re: insert umlaut
2010-06-13 4:50 ` tomas
@ 2010-06-13 21:15 ` Stefan Vollmar
0 siblings, 0 replies; 8+ messages in thread
From: Stefan Vollmar @ 2010-06-13 21:15 UTC (permalink / raw
To: tomas; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs, Kevin Rodgers
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Dear Tomas,
On 13.06.2010, at 06:50, tomas@tuxteam.de wrote:
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> On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 11:55:49AM +0200, Stefan Vollmar wrote:
>> Dear Kevin,
>>
>> On 12.06.2010, at 08:10, Kevin Rodgers wrote:
>>
>>> Stefan Vollmar wrote:
>>>> Dear Kevin,
>>>> On 09.06.2010, at 05:43, Kevin Rodgers wrote:
>>>>> Please show us the insert statement.
>>>> (insert "Umlaut: ü")
>>>
>>> What happens if you use a coding-system independent representation
>>> in your ~/.emacs:
>>>
>>> (insert "Umlaut: \u00FC")
>>
>>
>> It works with the \u00FC representation, so this is another solution in addition to using (string-make-multibyte "ü"), probably very similar in effect.
>
> What is the coding system of the elisp file itself (i.e. where the source of this
> statement lives)?
I think that question has already been answered, see below. Also take into account that this appears to be dependent on whether the insert takes place in site-lisp/site-start.el (while starting) or whether Emacs has already started completely:
> From: Stefan Vollmar <vollmar@nf.mpg.de>
> Date: 12. Juni 2010 11:55:49 MESZ
> To: Kevin Rodgers <kevin.d.rodgers@gmail.com>
> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: insert umlaut
[...]
> However, here is an interesting observation: that insert statement is used in a site-lisp/site-start.el file. It produces the mentioned problem when Emacs is started. If, in contrast, Emacs is running and I do a load-file of site-start.el then,
>
> (insert "Umlaut: ü")
>
> will work exactly as observed on recent versions of Emacs on MacOS and Linux.
The other Email I was referring to:
> From: Stefan Vollmar <vollmar@nf.mpg.de>
> Date: 9. Juni 2010 08:01:48 MESZ
> To: Kevin Rodgers <kevin.d.rodgers@gmail.com>
> Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> Subject: Re: insert umlaut
>
> Dear Kevin,
>
> On 09.06.2010, at 05:43, Kevin Rodgers wrote:
>
>> Please show us the insert statement.
>
> (insert "Umlaut: ü")
>
>> When visiting ~/.emacs, what does `C-h C RET' display?
>
> * Emacs 23.2.1 Windows Server Enterprise 2007 (German)
>
> Coding system for saving this buffer:
> - -- undecided-dos (alias: dos)
> [...]
> Coding system for terminal output:
> nil
> Coding system for inter-client cut and paste:
> U -- utf-16le-dos
> Defaults for subprocess I/O:
> decoding: U -- utf-8-dos (alias: mule-utf-8-dos)
> [...]
> Process I/O "[pP][lL][iI][nN][kK]" (undecided-dos . undecided-dos)
> "[cC][mM][dD][pP][rR][oO][xX][yY]"
> (undecided-dos . undecided-dos)
>
>
> * Aquamacs 2.0 Mac (English)
>
> Coding system for saving this buffer:
> - -- undecided-unix (alias: unix)
> [...]
> Coding system for terminal output:
> U -- utf-8-unix (alias: mule-utf-8-unix)
> Coding system for inter-client cut and paste:
> nil
> Defaults for subprocess I/O:
> decoding: U -- utf-8-unix (alias: mule-utf-8-unix)
> [...]
> Process I/O nothing specified
>
>> When point is before the umlaut character in the insert statement,
>> what does `C-u C-x =' display?
>
> * Emacs 23.2.1 Windows Server Enterprise 2007 (German)
>
> character: ü (252, #o374, #xfc)
> preferred charset: iso-8859-1 (Latin-1 (ISO/IEC 8859-1))
> code point: 0xFC
> syntax: w which means: word
> category: .:Base, c:Chinese, j:Japanese, l:Latin
> buffer code: #xC3 #xBC
> file code: #xC3 #xBC (encoded by coding system utf-8-unix)
> display: by this font (glyph code)
> uniscribe:-outline-Courier New-normal-normal-normal-mono-13-*-*-*-c-*-iso8859-1 (#x81)
>
> Character code properties: customize what to show
> name: LATIN SMALL LETTER U WITH DIAERESIS
> old-name: LATIN SMALL LETTER U DIAERESIS
> general-category: Ll (Letter, Lowercase)
> decomposition: (117 776) ('u' '̈')
>
> There are text properties here:
> face font-lock-string-face
> fontified t
>
>
> The Aquamacs output is identical, except for the line that says "uniscribe" on Windows, it says:
>
> nil:-apple-Monaco-medium-normal-normal-*-12-*-*-*-m-0-iso10646-1 (#x81)
>
>>> With Emacs 23.2 (Windows) the Umlaut is not displayed correctly (in
>>> the newly generated buffer), with Aquamacs 2.0 it works just
>>> fine. With both Emacsen, the .emacs-file yields "utf-8-unix" in the
>>> modeline and "utf-8" for the newly created buffer.
>>>
>>> Is this a bug or is it a coincidence that this works in Aquamacs?
>>
>> There are a lot of variables to account for between the 2 platforms and
>> the 2 Emacs versions.
>
> And so it seems. The problem can probably be explained by the above the differences in the default coding systems, interesting.
>
> Warm regards,
> Stefan
--
Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys.
Head of IT group
Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung
Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany
Tel.: +49-221-4726-213 FAX +49-221-4726-298
Tel.: +49-221-478-5713 Mobile: 0160-93874279
Email: vollmar@nf.mpg.de http://www.nf.mpg.de
--
Dr. Stefan Vollmar, Dipl.-Phys.
Head of IT group
Max-Planck-Institut für neurologische Forschung
Gleuelerstr. 50, 50931 Köln, Germany
Tel.: +49-221-4726-213 FAX +49-221-4726-298
Tel.: +49-221-478-5713 Mobile: 0160-93874279
Email: vollmar@nf.mpg.de http://www.nf.mpg.de
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