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From: Davis Herring <herring@lanl.gov>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Nic Ferrier <nferrier@ferrier.me.uk>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: adding namespaces to emacs-lisp (better elisp?)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 11:21:10 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51F2B006.3080107@lanl.gov> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvy58tl52t.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

> - I'm not sure how well it will cope with shadowing and non-namespaced
>   symbols (e.g. symbols like `face' that aren't used as variables).
>   The rule "global obarray is inspected first and if a symbol is found
>   there that's what is used" means that we have to be vary careful about
>   interning things in the global obarray since it can affect the way
>   other code is handled.  Currently, we're very liberal about interning
>   in the global obarray.
>   Basically I think this shadowing rule makes things a bit too automatic
>   for something where we need more control.
>   I think that, for backward compatibility reasons we can't easily mark
>   "non-prefixed symbols that should be global" (such as `face'), so the
>   safer alternative is to force local symbols to be specially marked
>   (like ::foo, maybe, to mean "foo in the current local obarray").
>   Having to prefix every single local symbol that way probably sounds
>   rather unpalatable, tho.

I think Mathematica's solution here works pretty well (see
http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/tutorial/Contexts.html).  The
part I think relevant here would be to define a "built-in" namespace
that would be searched first (like the global obarray mentioned above),
but not have it be the default for namespace-oblivious code.  Then the
up-front cost would be merely that symbols like 'face (as well as more
obvious things like 'car) would need to be explicitly placed in that
special namespace, rather than that all references to them needing
modification.

Davis

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shipping.



      parent reply	other threads:[~2013-07-26 17:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-26 14:08 adding namespaces to emacs-lisp (better elisp?) Nic Ferrier
2013-07-26 14:34 ` Drew Adams
2013-07-26 17:01   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-26 17:01   ` CommonLisp namespace system (was Re: adding namespaces to emacs-lisp (better elisp?)) Nic Ferrier
2013-07-26 17:19     ` Drew Adams
2013-07-26 18:26       ` Sebastian Wiesner
2013-07-26 18:53         ` Drew Adams
2013-07-26 21:08         ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-26 18:23     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-26 18:32       ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-26 18:45     ` Tom Tromey
2013-07-26 18:58       ` Drew Adams
2013-07-26 19:06         ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-26 20:46           ` CommonLisp namespace system Lars Brinkhoff
2013-07-26 20:57             ` Drew Adams
2013-07-26 21:47               ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-29 17:31                 ` Lars Brinkhoff
2013-07-26 20:57           ` CommonLisp namespace system (was Re: adding namespaces to emacs-lisp (better elisp?)) Drew Adams
2013-07-27  7:17           ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-27  8:13             ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-27 11:43               ` Bastien
2013-07-27 12:00                 ` David Engster
2013-07-27 16:56                   ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-27 23:52               ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-28  7:22                 ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-28  8:18                   ` Jambunathan K
2013-07-28 12:10                   ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-28 13:48                     ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-29 10:12                       ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-29 10:45                         ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-30  0:31                           ` Richard Stallman
2013-07-27  9:37             ` CommonLisp namespace system Lars Brinkhoff
2013-07-26 19:42         ` CommonLisp namespace system (was Re: adding namespaces to emacs-lisp (better elisp?)) Drew Adams
2013-07-26 21:26       ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-26 21:06     ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-26 21:44       ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-27  7:16   ` adding namespaces to emacs-lisp (better elisp?) Richard Stallman
2013-07-26 15:43 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-26 16:56   ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-26 18:18     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-26 19:00       ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-26 20:59         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-26 21:43           ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-26 21:59             ` Drew Adams
2013-07-26 22:21             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-26 22:33               ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-27  0:51                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-27  8:27                   ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-27 14:12                     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-27 16:17                       ` Nic Ferrier
2013-07-27 17:28                         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-27 10:35                   ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-26 22:00           ` Drew Adams
2013-07-27  0:49             ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-27  1:13               ` Drew Adams
2013-07-27  7:02               ` Lars Brinkhoff
2013-07-27 10:33                 ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-31  6:48                   ` Lars Brinkhoff
2013-07-27 10:31               ` Pascal J. Bourguignon
2013-07-27 14:14                 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-07-27 16:43                   ` Drew Adams
2013-07-26 17:21   ` Davis Herring [this message]

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