From: martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: Juanma Barranquero <lekktu@gmail.com>,
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
Angelo Graziosi <angelo.graziosi@alice.it>
Subject: Re: How to restore the layout?
Date: Wed, 10 Jul 2013 09:20:01 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <51DD0B21.5070502@gmx.at> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46783987-8f32-41b4-b8bb-c28965306cfc@default>
>> If you maximize another application on your system, do you see any
>> borders? I don't here.
>
> On MS Windows, clicking the maximize button in the title bar (or maximizing
> in some other way) makes the window take up the full screen space, but still
> with its borders, including the title bar. Maximize and "fullscreen" are not
> the same thing, AFAIK.
When I start an application like the Windows Explorer I see, above the
title bar, the upper border of its window. When I maximize the
Explorer's window, I still see the title bar, but the upper border has
disappeared. When I make the Explorer window fullscreen (via F11) title
bar and upper border both disappear.
>> Yes. But sending the window manager an explicit resizing request
>> lifts that restriction, IIUC.
>
> How would I/you check that outside of Emacs, with MS Windows?
No idea. But with Emacs I can maximize a frame and do
(set-frame-position (selected-frame) 12 12)
to move it, keeping its previous size, while
(set-frame-position (selected-frame) 0 0)
will move it just for a short moment and back to the previous state
afterwards. In any case, I can clearly see that the frame keeps its
outer borders, confirming an earlier claim of Juanma.
>> > Is this the behavior to be expected, that you can move a fullscreen frame
>> > around and resize it (so it is, in effect, no longer "full screen"? To
>> > be clear, I don't care, a priori, either way; I'm just reporting what I see,
>> > in case it helps.
>>
>> It depends on how you move and resize it.
>
> How so? Please elaborate. What is the design - the "behavior to be expected"
> in the different cases of how you move/resize?
I can't elaborate because I don't know what you tried to do when you
reported what you saw. Here I cannot move a maximized Emacse frame by
dragging the mouse or via the System Menu. I can move it by evaluating
(set-frame-position (selected-frame) 12 12)
or resize it by doing
(set-frame-height (selected-frame) (1- (frame-height)))
though and there's still a button enabled telling me that I can "restore
its size" so Windows still thinks that the Emacs window is maximized.
There's one funny discrepancy: I can't mouse-drag the moved window but
can drag the resized one.
> As I said, you cannot get to the Move or resizing
> items of the system menu for a maximized window. The fact that you can move
> or resize a "maximized" Emacs frame suggests that the Emacs "maximize" is
> not quite the same thing as Windows maximize.
Not necessarily. I unfortunately lost my Emacs trunk version and am not
sure whether and when I'm able to recuperate it, but IIRC I had lots
of incoherent states after doing M-F10. But, maximizing Emacs via the
button in the upper right corner (I never use that but call WinMaximize
via a key combination instead) always works as expected.
martin
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2013-06-22 13:45 How to restore the layout? Angelo Graziosi
2013-06-22 23:01 ` Xue Fuqiao
2013-06-23 10:24 ` Angelo Graziosi
2013-06-23 8:26 ` martin rudalics
2013-06-23 10:35 ` Angelo Graziosi
2013-06-24 17:05 ` martin rudalics
2013-06-24 17:23 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-24 17:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-24 17:52 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-24 18:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-24 18:33 ` Stephen Berman
2013-06-24 18:33 ` Stephen Berman
2013-06-24 20:10 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-24 20:11 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-24 20:22 ` Jambunathan K
2013-06-24 20:28 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-24 20:57 ` martin rudalics
2013-06-24 22:47 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-24 23:38 ` Juri Linkov
2013-06-24 23:43 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-25 6:03 ` Juri Linkov
2013-06-25 16:05 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-25 6:46 ` martin rudalics
2013-06-25 15:32 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-25 16:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-25 16:38 ` martin rudalics
2013-06-25 17:21 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-25 21:36 ` Angelo Graziosi
2013-06-25 21:40 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-26 0:52 ` chad
2013-06-26 14:03 ` chad
2013-06-26 17:21 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-26 18:27 ` martin rudalics
2013-06-26 23:05 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-27 2:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-27 2:57 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-27 4:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-27 8:55 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-27 15:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-27 15:23 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-27 8:05 ` martin rudalics
2013-06-27 9:00 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-27 9:38 ` martin rudalics
2013-06-27 21:02 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-28 6:34 ` martin rudalics
2013-06-28 11:53 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-28 14:02 ` martin rudalics
2013-06-27 13:29 ` Angelo Graziosi
2013-06-27 14:05 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-27 14:31 ` Angelo Graziosi
2013-06-27 14:45 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-27 18:27 ` martin rudalics
2013-06-27 20:30 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-27 20:49 ` martin rudalics
2013-06-27 20:52 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-27 21:00 ` martin rudalics
2013-06-27 21:03 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-27 23:33 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-28 6:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-28 8:17 ` Jan Djärv
2013-06-28 11:54 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-28 11:48 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-28 17:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-28 18:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-28 17:22 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-28 17:51 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-28 19:36 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-29 0:54 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-29 8:29 ` martin rudalics
2013-06-29 22:06 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-30 9:35 ` martin rudalics
2013-06-30 10:32 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-30 12:55 ` martin rudalics
2013-06-30 17:55 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-01 6:48 ` martin rudalics
2013-07-04 20:41 ` Angelo Graziosi
2013-07-04 21:34 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-04 23:10 ` Angelo Graziosi
2013-07-04 23:19 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-05 7:45 ` martin rudalics
2013-07-05 9:37 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-05 14:02 ` Angelo Graziosi
2013-07-05 14:55 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-05 15:02 ` Angelo Graziosi
2013-07-05 15:10 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-05 15:30 ` martin rudalics
2013-07-05 15:39 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-05 15:54 ` martin rudalics
2013-07-05 16:02 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-05 17:03 ` martin rudalics
2013-07-05 17:06 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-05 17:37 ` martin rudalics
2013-07-06 14:32 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-07 10:57 ` martin rudalics
2013-07-05 15:21 ` martin rudalics
2013-07-05 15:26 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-05 15:39 ` martin rudalics
2013-07-05 15:40 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-05 15:55 ` martin rudalics
2013-07-05 17:04 ` Angelo Graziosi
2013-07-05 17:09 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-05 7:45 ` martin rudalics
2013-07-05 10:07 ` Angelo Graziosi
2013-07-05 12:58 ` martin rudalics
2013-07-05 13:13 ` Jan Djärv
2013-07-05 13:41 ` Angelo Graziosi
2013-07-05 14:42 ` martin rudalics
2013-07-05 18:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-07-05 20:30 ` Angelo Graziosi
2013-07-06 8:47 ` martin rudalics
2013-07-06 9:10 ` Angelo Graziosi
2013-07-06 10:44 ` martin rudalics
2013-07-06 11:04 ` Angelo Graziosi
2013-07-06 13:06 ` martin rudalics
2013-07-06 13:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-07-06 13:43 ` martin rudalics
2013-07-06 13:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-07-07 10:56 ` martin rudalics
2013-07-06 14:27 ` Angelo Graziosi
2013-07-06 18:57 ` Drew Adams
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2013-07-07 11:32 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-07-07 12:46 ` martin rudalics
2013-07-07 15:53 ` Drew Adams
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2013-07-08 13:56 ` Drew Adams
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2013-07-05 7:44 ` martin rudalics
2013-06-29 8:51 ` Stephen Leake
2013-06-29 18:00 ` chad
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2013-06-29 22:36 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-30 15:27 ` Stephen Leake
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2013-06-29 8:47 ` Stephen Leake
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2013-06-28 15:06 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-28 17:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-29 0:49 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-28 15:22 ` Jan Djärv
2013-06-28 15:32 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-28 15:53 ` Jan Djärv
2013-06-28 12:05 ` Juanma Barranquero
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2013-06-30 10:16 ` Juanma Barranquero
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2013-06-30 18:15 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-30 7:51 ` Jan Djärv
2013-06-30 9:35 ` martin rudalics
2013-06-30 10:01 ` Jan Djärv
2013-06-30 10:11 ` martin rudalics
2013-06-30 10:34 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-30 10:29 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-30 12:55 ` martin rudalics
2013-06-30 18:03 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-30 21:32 ` Jan Djärv
2013-07-01 0:28 ` Juanma Barranquero
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2013-07-01 6:50 ` martin rudalics
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2013-07-03 14:35 ` Juanma Barranquero
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2013-07-04 14:17 ` Juanma Barranquero
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2013-07-03 10:37 ` Juanma Barranquero
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2013-06-30 15:23 ` Stephen Leake
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2013-06-28 15:12 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-28 10:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-28 11:50 ` martin rudalics
2013-06-28 12:11 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-28 12:24 ` Angelo Graziosi
2013-06-28 13:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-28 14:07 ` martin rudalics
2013-06-28 14:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-28 12:08 ` Juanma Barranquero
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2013-06-28 14:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-28 15:24 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-29 8:03 ` Stephen Leake
2013-06-29 8:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-30 15:29 ` Stephen Leake
2013-06-30 15:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-28 12:00 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-28 12:31 ` Jan Djärv
2013-06-28 13:18 ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-28 14:26 ` Jan Djärv
2013-06-28 15:19 ` Juanma Barranquero
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2013-06-28 15:13 ` Jan Djärv
2013-06-28 15:14 ` Juanma Barranquero
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