From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: How to restore the layout? Date: Tue, 09 Jul 2013 11:07:49 +0200 Message-ID: <51DBD2E5.4050408@gmx.at> References: <51C5AA68.4000204@alice.it> <51CFFBED.7090400@gmx.at> <51D02AB0.5070103@gmx.at> <51D5DE14.4090507@alice.it> <51D600D8.90801@alice.it> <51D67985.7010806@gmx.at> <51D69AF8.2050606@alice.it> <51D6C2FA.7040708@gmx.at> <51D6CD1C.5050504@alice.it> <51D6DB49.7020005@gmx.at> <831u7czx1i.fsf@gnu.org> <51D72CC9.9040704@alice.it> <51D7D9B1.8080102@gmx.at> <51D7DF18.2010502@alice.it> <51D7F501.7020207@gmx.at> <51D7F9C1.4000801@alice.it> <51D81657.8020108@gmx.at> <972fd406-97dc-42fc-9727-03642e351c88@default> <51D949AD.6020800@gmx.at> <51D96326.9040500@gmx.at> <5f8e3fb9-8dba-4cd2-ab31-9ae03fa8ec07@default> <51DA608F.3040400@gmx.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1373367595 17706 80.91.229.3 (9 Jul 2013 10:59:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2013 10:59:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Juanma Barranquero , Eli Zaretskii , Emacs developers , Angelo Graziosi To: Drew Adams Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 09 12:59:56 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UwVeG-0002du-2G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 12:59:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:48787 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UwVeF-0000Ch-P5 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 06:59:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:56567) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UwVeC-0000CY-Tg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 06:59:54 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UwVJT-0005pX-BP for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 06:38:28 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:62371) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UwTuH-0000K8-5R; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 05:08:21 -0400 Original-Received: from [62.47.46.161] ([62.47.46.161]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx001) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 0MXq3L-1UjVaD13Yt-00Wl5V; Tue, 09 Jul 2013 11:07:59 +0200 In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:w+2uW9VjmdZRNV+Y1h+vnOPKreX/8aqMUYdRTLYlk+TUiFocwSJ Vhp0FCw001yp3qR3pH9e/lWzFUNK11jWyE6IzpSgrkaUHGI5EByn7iV1/fKfoxVgGiQAvcR ZEBuOBV6xQ5sCryCrxPcSVa0xZbZeXojqD85ZntgDwPiHoXWq3mrQv3+80R/Ra9bmHxZDBo /fI7yJ/VRnjomvEnID9EQ== X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.17.21 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:161746 Archived-At: > OK, but isn't one difference that fullscreen does not include borders > (including title bar)? That is what I see here: no borders. If you maximize another application on your system, do you see any borders? I don't here. > I thought > that fullscreen might also mean that, like maximized, you cannot move the > frame (it is "pinned" to the screen). Yes. But sending the window manager an explicit resizing request lifts that restriction, IIUC. > Is this the behavior to be expected, that you can move a fullscreen frame > around and resize it (so it is, in effect, no longer "full screen"? To be > clear, I don't care, a priori, either way; I'm just reporting what I see, > in case it helps. It depends on how you move and resize it. >> Programmatically you should be able to move any frame. It will become >> demaximized/defullscreenified in the course, I presume. > > Whatever that last sentence might mean (in terms of effect; the English > is clear). The frame still has the same "full-screen" appearance (e.g., > no borders); it simply is not "full screen" (in a naive sense). I have to admit that such behavior sounds strange. Does it have a title bar though? > Note, BTW, that with MS Windows you cannot move or resize a maximized window. > Dunno about "programmatically", but you cannot do so using the "System Menu", > which is the way Windows users recuperate a stray window. Menu items such > as `Move' are disabled for a maximized frame. I suppose the same rules hold for the system menu and mouse-dragging. So if you can move or resize a maximized/fullscreen frame via the system menu, the OS is not aware that your frame is maximized/fullscreen. martin