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From: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
Cc: Kenichi Handa <handa@gnu.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: request to revert the chnage of revno 112925
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2013 14:15:36 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51C21F78.2040307@cs.ucla.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvy5a56dl2.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

On 06/19/13 13:49, Stefan Monnier wrote:

> This is not specific to Elisp, of course, it's true of most programming
> languages

Yes, that sounds right.  Should we make this change for all
programming-language files then?  .c, .h, Makefile, etc....

> The POSIX world doesn't care too much about labeling files as
> text-vs-binary except when it's really useful (e.g. to try and avoid
> spewing crap in the output of grep).

True, but in practice this means one should avoid putting NUL bytes in
such files.  grep uses a heuristic that if a file contains a NUL byte,
it's considered to be a binary file, and by default grep won't output
the matching lines for that file.  POSIX allows this behavior, and it's
common among many GNU and/or POSIX tools, which means it's typically
not a good idea to put NUL bytes in source files.

Emacs of course can treat a NUL character just like any other
character.  But the issue of UTF-8 versus other encodings is largely
independent of what Emacs does with NUL characters.  It may be better
to leave the treatment of NUL characters alone when making the UTF-8
change, if only to do changes one at a time.

(Can you tell that I use grep a lot?  Sometimes I think it's my
favorite software tool....)




  reply	other threads:[~2013-06-19 21:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-06-19 11:54 request to revert the chnage of revno 112925 Kenichi Handa
2013-06-19 12:59 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-19 15:35   ` Kenichi Handa
2013-06-19 16:11     ` Paul Eggert
2013-06-19 20:49       ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-19 21:15         ` Paul Eggert [this message]
2013-06-20  2:09           ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-21  5:25           ` Achim Gratz
2013-06-21  6:48             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-06-19 16:54     ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-22 12:36       ` Kenichi Handa
2013-06-22 12:46         ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-06-22 12:54           ` Juanma Barranquero
2013-06-22 15:26         ` Stefan Monnier
2013-06-29  3:50           ` request to revert the change " Kenichi Handa

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