From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: ken Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Does anyone really use emacs in terminal? Date: Mon, 06 May 2013 05:52:40 -0400 Message-ID: <51877D68.5070300@mousecar.com> References: Reply-To: gebser@mousecar.com NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1367833997 29214 80.91.229.3 (6 May 2013 09:53:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 09:53:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org To: Jason White Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon May 06 11:53:15 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UZI6c-0004ka-9U for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 May 2013 11:53:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56324 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UZI6b-0005c1-LJ for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Mon, 06 May 2013 05:53:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:49868) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UZI6P-0005b2-0p for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 May 2013 05:53:01 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UZI6N-0000UN-QW for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 May 2013 05:53:00 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.perfora.net ([74.208.4.195]:57335) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UZI6N-0000UC-KM for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 06 May 2013 05:52:59 -0400 Original-Received: from dellap.mousecar.net (dsl093-011-016.cle1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.93.11.16]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LqSKH-1U4L061E5h-00e8Sg; Mon, 06 May 2013 05:52:48 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130402 Thunderbird/17.0.5 In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:yUeKniv4wMDTgOLznb1HkDWY8S7wjVCm8BwqJRsQOot OjHKK8qlbegx3lcVdtqisCuoyXZw7tdUShkgKFOKSAWShO4Eyw 048Ym2zZicgeqm6uGUXmNoCHbGenTL58sATO9QdhE5v38qepNT k+Gd/9WizS4cEYK9hKrZXdYrjf7W3krWlEZ+yX0Ub7Kbo8EN8w m3TF1WfEzEg67KARrtF0sKEKbrBUJrE9lSviTmuzJtpDxucMWu nW27neS0gNSybPqKWoz/H9t9gxdWcMzbgU1Ug1k6VIdkP/YVnl 5LwPFEUb58qKTxaH9ts/XT7+uR+uIlzn4USCuxzRsOomyZZ938 0msrQTC59BXLO9JwulK/RXvci72bceW9885N10N3f X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 74.208.4.195 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:90524 Archived-At: On 05/05/2013 11:31 PM Jason White wrote: > Alan Mackenzie wrote: > >> Are you suggesting you're willing to put in the work to remove terminal >> support from Emacs? It'd be a lot of work. What would be the point? > > Exactly. And if anyone is seriously proposing to remove terminal support, > could they also implement all of the necessary ATK interfaces to enable my > braille display to be used with Emacs under X11 and GTK? It works wonderfully > at the console and also over ssh connections, thanks to the terminal display > code in Emacs, removal of which would be a major regression for my use cases. > > I should mention that I use Emacspeak for speech output and highly recommend > it; Emacspeak can run equally well in a terminal or under X, but for braille > access (using a refreshable braille device) Emacs really must be run in a > terminal session. Occasionally I need to work on a remote server which doesn't have X running and have to do extensive editing, not trivial enough to use vi. So, yes, in those instances it's nice not to have to learn a new editor-- which would be the only alternative. Also, I've run emacs in batch mode to extensively edit thousands of files non-interactively all "at once", something which would have taxed my sed, awk, and grep skills and required a much longer time to develop than it did using emacs. Emacs isn't simply an editor in the sense that Word is an editor. Stallman, in fact, prefers the term "text processor" to describe emacs, and as the people above indicate, it's a very extensible one at that.