From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: martin rudalics Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bugs Subject: bug#14233: 24.3; Don't constrain frame size to character multiples Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:30:36 +0200 Message-ID: <5178DB9C.5000908@gmx.at> References: <2r7gjy2gyy.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83bo991z00.fsf@gnu.org> <517257A0.4080607@gmx.at> <8338ul1rmb.fsf@gnu.org> <517275A0.1040702@gmx.at> <83wqrxzbc7.fsf@gnu.org> <51729A6A.7090404@gmx.at> <83mwstyxre.fsf@gnu.org> <5172D1D6.8030200@gmx.at> <83bo99ys79.fsf@gnu.org> <5173B0B2.9070607@gmx.at> <51750438.5060106@gmx.at> <8C0357F6-5720-42E5-90EB-B83416F0344E@swipnet.se> <51762F4D.7070101@gmx.at> <8361zdxll8.fsf@gnu.org> <51777DF3.5030206@gmx.at> <83fvyfx3c1.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1366875066 30650 80.91.229.3 (25 Apr 2013 07:31:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 07:31:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esabof@gmail.com, 14233@debbugs.gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 25 09:31:10 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UVGe6-0006FC-Ct for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:31:10 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46502 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UVGe5-0006hu-Vx for geb-bug-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 03:31:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36131) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UVGdx-0006hJ-AS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 03:31:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UVGds-0007MW-I1 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 03:31:01 -0400 Original-Received: from debbugs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.43]:38130) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UVGds-0007MQ-5F for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 03:30:56 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-debbugs by debbugs.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UVGio-00020M-CQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 03:36:02 -0400 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Resent-From: martin rudalics Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 25 Apr 2013 07:36:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 14233 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: Original-Received: via spool by 14233-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B14233.13668753557674 (code B ref 14233); Thu, 25 Apr 2013 07:36:02 +0000 Original-Received: (at 14233) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Apr 2013 07:35:55 +0000 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42239 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UVGid-0001zV-Ee for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 03:35:53 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:52167) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1UVGiZ-0001zI-E6 for 14233@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 03:35:49 -0400 Original-Received: from mailout-de.gmx.net ([10.1.76.34]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmx001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0M38or-1UoaN62pnj-00svB0 for <14233@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 25 Apr 2013 09:30:39 +0200 Original-Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 25 Apr 2013 07:30:39 -0000 Original-Received: from 62-47-46-229.adsl.highway.telekom.at (EHLO [62.47.46.229]) [62.47.46.229] by mail.gmx.net (mp034) with SMTP; 25 Apr 2013 09:30:39 +0200 X-Authenticated: #14592706 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19jp6x1SjNjv0q2mjC8lQ/rqJgiFImdT3rjbeEvj3 hqTAWT4mxlg4pa In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 140.186.70.43 X-BeenThere: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org List-Id: "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: bug-gnu-emacs-bounces+geb-bug-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bugs:73669 Archived-At: > FWIW, I haven't followed all the details of this discussion, but it > seems to be about "how do we adjust the size of the frame when some > display elements are added/removed". =2E.. or change size, yes. > If so, then one answer is "never > adjust it". That's the answer I would have liked to hear in the first place. And that's what we currently do when a frame internal toolbar wraps, for example, by occupying two lines instead of one. And we do it (unintentionally, alas) when the menubar wraps on Windows (but this is a problem of the Windows API and not of Emacs). We currently don't do it when changing a frame's nominal scrollbar size. In most cases, changing a frame's scrollbar size is done, however, in a consistent fashion. The only problem I remarked earlier happens when changing the scrollbar size of a fullscreen/maximized frame which usually is no more fullscreen/maximized afterwards (maybe this has been fixed meanwhile). And we don't do it currently when changing fringe widths. Changing fringes, however, is done in a pretty uncoordinated fashion as bug#14222 and the discussions in this thread document. > Of course with frames measured in "lines =D7 columns" this > comes with its own set of problems, but if we switch to measuring fram= es > in pixels, the problem should hopefully become simpler. The problem remains as it is. It's up to us to decide what we want. martin