From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?B?QW5kcmVhcyBSw7ZobGVy?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Basic legal question: Publication of a fix to psgml Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2013 10:38:29 +0200 Message-ID: <515D3C05.2070501@easy-emacs.de> References: <51584E07.8060709@easy-emacs.de> <87ppydxqh4.fsf@scipolis.de> <515BE043.8030900@easy-emacs.de> <87r4isxcs8.fsf@yandex.ru> <515BE542.80807@easy-emacs.de> <877gkkxbio.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1365064654 5817 80.91.229.3 (4 Apr 2013 08:37:34 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 08:37:34 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Apr 04 10:38:02 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UNfgH-0003pN-BI for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 10:38:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55471 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNffs-0007PM-4X for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 04:37:36 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:60565) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNffW-0007KL-SI for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 04:37:19 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNffR-00069h-Pk for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 04:37:14 -0400 Original-Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.10]:57857) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UNffR-00069T-A3 for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 04:37:09 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.178.21] (brln-4db9e367.pool.mediaWays.net [77.185.227.103]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LnBin-1Up0bG2Bpd-00h8Kn; Thu, 04 Apr 2013 10:37:07 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 In-Reply-To: X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:bBGSXPKiP9nXCL8AW5GvGYpHCmREvTnRNThQe7W5RV+ pSjqV6kosVWcWM8qVWmJNQxpxIHYCEuCSQTYwiKx4Zb+b9D5Tt VQGdo/rx7zbFoV/36qYrWuCRD+DoXbar4OA0PIW2Zth3pXux/f W3qlV0m6BH6ns4MS8BywiMZ8hWSDIS7BZv/lnTqNwZ9/ap5tXT lcGKdieObn/Gaq/cWz+wb4l5JgkQGwGL5rBqp6YA7DFmnmYxYw PkNiCU03OHcJ31TcIUtpHu5Yi7cVJr1CAiPGdEe8wfeFxECMFd Wr7d94EPG4GIjKOxmsa8x3mN5+APmICcwN+20ho1anmkHS+Utp L8Y5YR1HryrCenxvjARDX1o5RJkE/xXiVJnWVzpa9 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.17.10 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:89977 Archived-At: Am 03.04.2013 19:04, schrieb B. T. Raven: > Die Wed Apr 03 2013 07:03:40 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) Andreas > Röhler scripsit: > >> Am 03.04.2013 10:29, schrieb Bastien: >>> Hi Andreas, >>> >>> Andreas Röhler writes: >>> >>>> CA, as we learned, is partly privately negotiated. >>> >>> Not to my knowledge. >>> >> >> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2013-04/msg00066.html >> >> BTW experienced that proceeding already years ago, which is just polite >> and correct as such. >> >>> The copyright assignment is signed by contributors. I'm not aware of >>> any negociations, and I'd be surprised to learn that there are private >>> negociations. >>> >>>> To evaluate the legal state of different parts in Emacs wrt CA will >>>> need one or more lawyers. >>> >>> This suggests that the copyright status of Emacs is uncertain. >> >> Law and legal stats differ in theory and reality. >> In theory more laws define more cases and should provide more security. >> In reality the realm of possible interpretation is expanded too. >> >>> >>> I hope you understand it is quite a serious statement and requires >>> some evidence. >>> >>> The copyright status for code in Org's code is very clear, and I think >>> this is also the case for the copyright status of the rest of Emacs. >>> I sometimes get impatient when I have to wait for the FSF Copyright >>> Clerk to handle new copyright assignments for a new contributor, but >>> I know he has a lot of work and he's doing a great job. >>> >> >> To know the copyright status as such --as assignments may differ-- you >> must read assignment by assignment, evaluate and understand the diffs >> correctly - >> which is absurd as IMHO the whole CA arts. >> >> BTW German law --Urheberrechtsgesetz-- for example declares non-valid >> such copyright assignments - even if signed. >> Will a US-court accept CA from a German, when german law declares CA >> possible? > > Your English is so good that I can't tell whether you are a native > speaker or not. Thanks! FWIW ;) Did you mean to write "if (wenn) German law declares CA > IMpossible"? yep, sorry, a typo. > I'm sure the FSF's lawyers know about the status of German > law, don't they? Don't know. It was just an example. What about japanese or chinese law when negotiating with it citizens? Just wanted to point at the costs and risks when entering that procedure. > In any case, donative assignments are so legally thorny > that any discussion of them should probably be limited to private > communication with RMS or between/among the FSF's lawyers in camera. > AS the GPL works, making a success story of free software, assignment-stubborness has a kind of tragic-comic. Not being surprised that nastiness of legal stuff corresponds with a respective style of communication: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2013-03/msg00495.html Anyway, as always in error too :) Andreas [ ... ]