From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_R=F6hler?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.help Subject: Re: Basic legal question: Publication of a fix to psgml Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 21:49:31 +0200 Message-ID: <5158934B.4040100@easy-emacs.de> References: <51584E07.8060709@easy-emacs.de> <87r4ivobbb.fsf@bzg.ath.cx> <515857CD.8080504@easy-emacs.de> <831uav4kr9.fsf@gnu.org> <51586AF5.1070309@easy-emacs.de> <83y5d32y8y.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1364759305 1147 80.91.229.3 (31 Mar 2013 19:48:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 19:48:25 +0000 (UTC) To: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Original-X-From: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Mar 31 21:48:52 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1UMOFG-0000FG-Qt for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 21:48:50 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36751 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UMOEs-0004vL-Et for geh-help-gnu-emacs@m.gmane.org; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:48:26 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:41943) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UMOEg-0004uq-Bn for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:48:17 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UMOEe-0000ek-Ij for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:48:14 -0400 Original-Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.186]:51566) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1UMOEe-0000eZ-7t for help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:48:12 -0400 Original-Received: from [192.168.178.21] (brln-4dbc6e76.pool.mediaWays.net [77.188.110.118]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MSmoL-1UF4cJ2omD-00RtgF; Sun, 31 Mar 2013 21:48:10 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130307 Thunderbird/17.0.4 In-Reply-To: <83y5d32y8y.fsf@gnu.org> X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:EZXV3ztde4QkqTFn3xUO2xUWw19gG79AZCYDbE0hzZT vJR24nglYjodJz2I9UJJEEXIiCWi8nBwbCFTesrM7YSuHtrvNd WpTMPoNBj0nTqVtevxVtvGuHFCulTCvRNavFb3HR1AFh/Ebpcu 9xy0MjXvgrYXpH30YGTGl685jQDrJw+b5X/hqBSbZTclXBy/6r To9I2pB3DTO0d8NdTzIuCWos027vEghFcvzANY4hy63pUDq/Z6 oUI8Ju8BocPcEZMBW1N6CCHuarbUSR6WrG/afae0qcXMXDgPKJ FEsOP55VlQrrOVr45h/rX81UTxyLRLZC57DVl9qBo9t9XzLx2i DrQOk/1XN7OeVn1YqKjjfmiTBQlapXzqBhiDN+t9V X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 212.227.126.186 X-BeenThere: help-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Users list for the GNU Emacs text editor List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: help-gnu-emacs-bounces+geh-help-gnu-emacs=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.help:89849 Archived-At: Am 31.03.2013 20:57, schrieb Eli Zaretskii: >> Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2013 18:57:25 +0200 >> From: Andreas Röhler >> >> please consider the case at stake: a great library like psgml.el, which delivered solutions hardly >> found elsewhere, was kept nearly unknown for more than a decade. >> >> Don't you accept there is a difference between not bundling code and not mentioning it? >> Not to say: discourage it's use. >> >> If you might consider the effect already visible in this thread, you will remark the notion of the explicit consentement of authors for a change or republishing as so >> called matter of respect. >> >> Don't you see the danger which raises for all free software from there? >> All legal tracts and stances are interpreted in the light of habit. >> If a court notices the habit of requesting personal consentements for otherwise GPLed code changes as a need, >> the story of free software might be over. > > It doesn't matter what I think on this matter. I'm saying that > attacking the FSF on one of the technical GNU forums is rude and > unethical. When pointing at some probably wrong decision, there is no attack at the FSF. IMO FSF does a great job with its anti-DRM and many other campaigns. As IPython got the FSF Free Software Award some days ago: Does the IPython-project require copyright assigments? Never heard from. So that policy seems not so closely linked to FSF as you assume. It's just a decision effecting Emacs development and usage. > There are specialized forums for this kind of discussions, > please take this subject there. >