From: "Andreas Röhler" <andreas.roehler@online.de>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Cc: "Thomas S. Dye" <tsd@tsdye.com>
Subject: Re: A proposal (ox-html.el/ox-odt.el)
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 09:08:16 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <514033F0.8000201@online.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m1ip4wpip4.fsf@tsdye.com>
Am 12.03.2013 19:38, schrieb Thomas S. Dye:
>
>
> Aloha all,
>
> wgreenhouse-sGOZH3hwPm2sTnJN9+BGXg@public.gmane.org (W. Greenhouse)
> writes:
>
>> Jambunathan,
>>
>> Jambunathan K <kjambunathan-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> writes:
>>
>>> People are disregarding my "moral rights" over my work and pushing me in
>>> a corner to act a certain way to serve their own interests. This I feel
>>> is plain wrong and an act of snatching or appropriation.
>>>
>>> Jambunathan K.
>>
>> Moral right and copyright are unrelated concepts. In the jurisdictions
>> that recognize "author's moral right" or "droit moral" (much of the EU
>> and other civil-code countries), such right is non-assignable and would
>> not even be affected by the FSF papers. However, in the jurisdictions
>> where copyright is assignable, it has nothing to do with author's moral
>> right.
>>
>> If we're going to discuss "moral right" in the less legalistic and more
>> broad sense of your rights in an ethical society as a person with
>> agency, I think you're disregarding the rights of prior contributors to
>> the ox-html program, of which you were but one of many. Those
>> contributors did intend the code to become part of Emacs, and, morally
>> as well as legally, you entered into an agreement to further that aim
>> when you decided to work on it. If you really do intend to take your
>> ball and go home, do please call a fork a fork--and also do please
>> recognize that you are the one "snatching" or "appropriating" a joint
>> work out of your own sense of pique.
>>
>>> I want to fork ox-html.el and ox-odt.el (as it stands today in Org repo)
>>> to GNU ELPA repo. I request that Emacs maintainers recognize the GNU
>>> ELPA version (maintained by me) as the authoritative official versions
>>> of these files that gets bundled with SUMO Emacs.
>>
>> ...
>>
>>>
>>> Jambunathan
>>> +---------------+
>>> | ox-html.el +--- push Emacs maintainer
>>> | ox-odt.el | \-----
>>> | GNU ELPA | \----- +--------------------+
>>> | | \-->| |
>>> +---------------+ | lisp/org/ox-html.el|
>>> ^ Push | lisp/org/ox-odt.el |
>>> | | |
>>> | +--------------------+
>>> | | Other org files |
>>> +------+---------+ /->| |
>>> | | /--- | |
>>> | Org repo | /---- | |
>>> | | /--- +--------------------+
>>> | +-- push
>>> | |
>>> | |
>>> +----------------+
>>> Org maintainer
>>
>>
>> This makes no sense at all. It is needless busywork for the Emacs
>> maintainer to integrate code from one particular contributor who is unable
>> to cooperate with the maintainer of the project to which he
>> contributes. It also unnecessarily inconveniences ordinary Emacs/Org
>> users, who would now face a further obstacle to simply using the
>> software. They already have to go elsewhere to get contrib/ programs
>> or to use the latest version of Org; now you want to make it so that
>> even the release version of Org is fractured and schismed. That is
>> totally unacceptable.
>
> If this analysis is correct, then Jambunathan's proposal furthers his
> stated purpose "to delay the release [of Org] or cause confusion".
>
> I am concerned (perhaps out of ignorance) that Jambunathan's ability to
> contribute code to Org might be used to the same effect.
>
> Because I am keen to know that my investment in Org is being suitably
> protected, could someone assure me either that my concern is unfounded,
> i.e., that code contributed by Jambunathan can be successfully vetted so
> that it doesn't delay development or cause confusion, or that
> appropriate steps have been taken to ensure that future code
> contributions from Jambunathan will not become part of Org?
>
> All the best,
> Tom
>
Hi Tom,
while not being
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Thread overview: 122+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2013-03-10 14:56 Copyright/Distribution questions (Emacs/Orgmode) Jambunathan K
2013-03-10 15:04 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-10 22:18 ` Karl Fogel
2013-03-11 1:43 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-11 4:23 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-11 2:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-03-11 3:14 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-11 5:28 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-03-11 6:00 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-11 6:32 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-11 6:10 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-11 6:41 ` Germán A. Arias
2013-03-11 7:38 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-11 12:53 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-11 14:39 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-11 15:52 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-11 17:58 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-11 19:12 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-11 19:52 ` Subhan Tindall
2013-03-12 2:33 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-12 5:05 ` Carsten Dominik
2013-03-12 6:12 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-12 6:23 ` A proposal (ox-html.el/ox-odt.el) Jambunathan K
2013-03-12 17:02 ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-12 18:38 ` Thomas S. Dye
2013-03-12 18:38 ` Thomas S. Dye
2013-03-13 8:08 ` Andreas Röhler [this message]
2013-03-13 8:18 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-12 6:57 ` Copyright/Distribution questions (Emacs/Orgmode) Jambunathan K
2013-03-12 16:40 ` Subhan Tindall
2013-03-12 16:59 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-13 1:37 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-13 2:04 ` William Gardella
2013-03-13 18:32 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-13 18:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2013-03-14 22:30 ` Richard Stallman
2013-04-01 8:32 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-01 21:06 ` W. Greenhouse
2013-04-01 21:35 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-02 13:22 ` Allen S. Rout
2013-04-03 0:06 ` Richard Stallman
2013-04-03 6:50 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 8:05 ` Bastien
2013-04-03 8:16 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 8:32 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-04-03 8:46 ` Bastien
2013-04-03 9:23 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-04-03 9:58 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2013-04-03 10:40 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-04-03 14:39 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 15:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 16:09 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 16:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 16:25 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 16:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 16:40 ` Timur Aydin
2013-04-03 16:43 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 16:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 17:04 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 17:09 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 17:20 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 17:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 17:44 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 17:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-03 18:27 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-03 18:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04 1:49 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-04 2:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04 12:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2013-04-03 23:10 ` Germán A. Arias
2013-04-04 2:31 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-04 2:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-04-04 6:16 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-04-03 20:57 ` Emacs community crashes when I try to quit (was: Re: Copyright/Distribution questions (Emacs/Orgmode)) Allen S. Rout
2013-04-03 21:39 ` Emacs community crashes when I try to quit Karl Fogel
2013-04-03 18:09 ` Copyright/Distribution questions (Emacs/Orgmode) W. Greenhouse
2013-04-03 8:36 ` Bastien
2013-04-03 8:42 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-03 15:15 ` J. David Boyd
2013-04-03 15:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-13 19:21 ` Allen S. Rout
2013-03-14 3:08 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-14 11:20 ` Bastien
2013-03-13 22:13 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-14 0:57 ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-14 10:42 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-14 16:00 ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-14 17:01 ` Bastien
2013-03-14 17:09 ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-14 17:56 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-14 18:53 ` Bastien
2013-03-14 19:29 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-14 15:21 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-14 19:17 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-14 22:31 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-15 0:42 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-15 6:39 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-15 12:49 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-15 15:54 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-14 2:20 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-14 15:22 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-14 16:05 ` Andreas Röhler
2013-03-14 16:11 ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-14 16:13 ` Ivan Andrus
2013-03-12 0:27 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-12 17:00 ` Richard Stallman
2013-03-12 17:48 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-13 1:54 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2013-03-11 10:09 ` Christian Egli
2013-03-11 10:09 ` Christian Egli
2013-03-11 14:13 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-12 20:11 ` Glenn Morris
2013-03-12 20:25 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-12 21:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-13 2:36 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-13 3:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2013-03-13 19:35 ` Karl Fogel
2013-03-14 2:44 ` Jambunathan K
2013-03-14 2:56 ` W. Greenhouse
2013-03-14 18:03 ` Karl Fogel
2013-04-01 8:03 ` Jambunathan K
2013-04-01 8:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
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