From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Drew Adams Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: RE: package and testing rant (was Re: package.el, auto-installation, and auto-removal) Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 18:53:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50e0f48d-cfc7-4779-a4c4-51d987fcdda1@default> References: <87a943umku.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87ppcvm7fj.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87vbmndk46.fsf@lifelogs.com> <87wq72ls2h.fsf@ferrier.me.uk> <87k332lnn3.fsf_-_@ferrier.me.uk> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1415674465 22184 80.91.229.3 (11 Nov 2014 02:54:25 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 02:54:25 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier , Nic Ferrier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Nov 11 03:54:17 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xo1az-0005Oy-FS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 03:54:17 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46507 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xo1az-0000Wu-4R for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 21:54:17 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50322) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xo1an-0000VW-Bg for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 21:54:14 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xo1ae-0002Mj-Lz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 21:54:05 -0500 Original-Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com ([141.146.126.69]:50511) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xo1ae-0002Me-FD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Nov 2014 21:53:56 -0500 Original-Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id sAB2rmZ0009087 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 11 Nov 2014 02:53:50 GMT Original-Received: from userz7022.oracle.com (userz7022.oracle.com [156.151.31.86]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sAB2rioI023942 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 11 Nov 2014 02:53:47 GMT Original-Received: from abhmp0016.oracle.com (abhmp0016.oracle.com [141.146.116.22]) by userz7022.oracle.com (8.14.5+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id sAB2rhHH000808; Tue, 11 Nov 2014 02:53:44 GMT In-Reply-To: X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8.2 (807160) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.4.x-2.6.x [generic] X-Received-From: 141.146.126.69 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:176734 Archived-At: > Just to avoid confusion in the discussion: ELPA is the name of > the general package distribution system, IOW the protocol > between package.el and the web servers. Really? I thought that ELPA stands for "Emacs Lisp Package Archive", and it thus means a repository of Emacs-Lisp code. I think of `package.el', not ELPA, as something that provides (the basis for) the "package system". Perhaps Tom T. has something to offer about the terminology? > There are several servers which follow this protocol, such as > Marmalade, MELPA, and GNU ELPA. Several ELPAs, several Emacs-Lisp repositories. And yes, a "repository" can include the ways of accessing it, including, for example, a web server. > IIUC by "ELPA" above I guess you mean GNU ELPA (since "ELPA > and MELPA" would otherwise combine with "and" two things > of different nature). That's my thought too - GNU ELPA and MELPA are two ELPAs. Marmalade is also an ELPA. There can be any number of ELPAs. Presumably all will support the package system offered by (supported by) `package.el', though in different ways.